Warbird Information Exchange

I am a pilot for one. Second, I am not the one that makes dumb comments and then says, "Oh I didn't mean nothing by it." Calling static aircraft plastic replicas Is rude. It is rude to those who bust their butts putting them back together, those who display them, and those who served on the aircraft on static. If I time and time again, came out and said racing at Reno is dumb, and just kept on that, you would get tired of hearing it because that is something you enjoy. And by the way what does having a pilot have to do with anything? I think that there are many people here that enjoy warbirds, and have important views and roles with warbirds that are not pilots. I know many pilots that don't care about warbirds, or their preservation. All I am saying is maybe consider that static aircraft play important roles. Just as important as the flying ones.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Director

I can only tell you what the pilot told me.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Director

Wonder if that's the same pilot who called us a bunch of cowboys. The same pilot who told another guy that the USAF uses the drones at airshows to keep the Collings F-4 off of the airshow circuit ? Meaning that no one would underwrite the expenses of the CF jet as long as they can get one for free. Which by the way is illegal, as they are barred by law to not compete with a civilian entity.

Trust me, all of the Heritage F-4 are first and foremost "targets ".

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"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass..."
Admiral Isoruku Yamamoto

Like I said Rick, I am not attempting to take anything away from the awesome example that you maintain.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Director

"if its not flying make it out of plastic..." nothing more nothing less...

And just what do you mean by that.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Director

I find that silly. Overall, the project I own is 100% scrap. No way I'm going to do a plastic project though. If I want to waste my time having fun redoing my F-84F and it'll still never fly...that's my prerogative. You're trolling to post what you did. I don't find the post offensive, I just find it juvenile. Just because somethng will never fly again, does not marginalize the merit of working on the project.

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F-84F Simulator Project
www.f-84f.org

"if its not flying make it out of plastic...most wouldn't know the difference"

humm ...if...well that would mean IF
it's...humm...that would mean IT'S
not....hummm...well that probably means NOT
flying----well---it either flies or it doesn't so that means FLYING
make---well---that would be like construct build etc you know MAKE
it....see above.....
out----if you are not in you are out--so that means OUT
of-----well---that could mean from or ...but OF sort of fits best
plastic...now this gets complex......there are so many plastics out there to choose from, so lets just say ALL PLASTICS, FIBER GLASS ETC.
most----is the opposite of some...so most means majority or MOST
wouldn't---well I could have said WOULD NOT but WOULDN'T sort of says it all
know---well---you either KNOW something or you DON'T KNOW something.
the---now here is another tricky one what the heck does THE mean really
difference---well difference is a quantitative measure as it has degrees of separation but in general difference means---well DIFFERENCE.

that pretty much sums it up.

"if its not flying make it out of plastic...most wouldn't know the difference"

humm ...if...well that would mean IF
it's...humm...that would mean IT'S
not....hummm...well that probably means NOT
flying----well---it either flies or it doesn't so that means FLYING
make---well---that would be like construct build etc you know MAKE
it....see above.....
out----if you are not in you are out--so that means OUT
of-----well---that could mean from or ...but OF sort of fits best
plastic...now this gets complex......there are so many plastics out there to choose from, so lets just say ALL PLASTICS, FIBER GLASS ETC.
most----is the opposite of some...so most means majority or MOST
wouldn't---well I could have said WOULD NOT but WOULDN'T sort of says it all
know---well---you either KNOW something or you DON'T KNOW something.
the---now here is another tricky one what the heck does THE mean really
difference---well difference is a quantitative measure as it has degrees of separation but in general difference means---well DIFFERENCE.

that pretty much sums it up.

I was just trying to make sure that you meant it as sounded. That is a real good outlook on the preservation of warbirds.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Director

This is absolutely correct. When I flew with the Heritage guys in a Holloman based F-4, it was in a drone that was due to be destroyed within in the next 20-30 hours. From what I was told they have a 300 hour operational life before they need to go for overhaul. Their policy is to shoot them down, even the Heritage painted examples, within that timeframe. The pilots were pretty happy with the bird I flew in and wished it could have been kept on line because it flew so well..but they also knew it wasn't gonna happen.

This clearly isn't a preservation project, but we can certainly be thankful that they have made the drones a part of the Heritage program...at least for a little while. It won't last much longer. I was told by the Holloman folks that FY2012 will be the end of the F-4 drone program. Then they start shooting down F-16s.

Lighten up, please. I'm sure we're all impressed that you can pee farther than md can, but we've all also seen more than enough pissing contests in the past few months to be tired of it. I'm sure you can say your say without being supercilious. Besides, you forgot the prime rule and left out what the definition of "is" is.

I hate it when they aren't flying too, but I'd far rather see a real warbird in a museum than see none at all--because they've all been flown into the ground. Statistically if we keep all of them in the air then eventually they will all have been flown into the ground, leaving a few teeth and some cinders for our grandchildren to look at. Sure, we can keep rebuilding them a la' the six million dollar man, but why bother when 50 years from now all you have of the original is a bent melted data plate attached to an airframe that is 100% new build? They are in general museum pieces and we are lucky LUCKY to have the few taht we have, still flying. That is thanks to damned near heroic measures by a very small number of individuals. Were it not for those individuals, we'd likely have almost nothing left at all except what has been rescued by museums, bent melted dataplates, and rebuilds.

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James K

"Switch on the underwater landing lights"
Emilio Largo, Thunderball.

www.VintageAeroWriter.com

some folks seem to take everything as an attack on them and seem to think that if you have a different opinion you should keep your mouth shut. that kind of goes against the grain of AMERICA. as for me..its their forum so they are welcome to it. thanks

I have no issues with you having you opinion and say, but when you have such an extreme view and continue to use abrasive and insulting dialogue to display it, then some do get offended.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Director