What's wrong with this picture?

[Mudge]

I'm sure someone will tell me if I'm wrong, BUT...Didn't the ejection seat on the F-104 eject down?

Mudge the confused

[mustanglover]

Different a/c I'm referring.
The one your referring was subject of a long and interesting CY thread on aafo.com

Exactly, and I (along with many others) know what/who you are referring too.

My point is, she (I mean they) still try to get thier way but when you push back she (I mean they) are not so tough.

And to carry on, please don't kill the messenger (those who may carry the colors only) over what she (I mean they) may do to others.

[sdennison]

Gents, you think this is a tough one? Try a picture of Dale Earnhardt, Sr. and you'll be in the courts forever. NASCAR is the founder of image rights and the like. I'm with Bill on this one. Care to fight the fight of public domain? When I had this great limited edition racing print brain fart, they wanted to start at 40% and negotiate from there.

Some of these guys are really out to lunch when it comes to the image and likeness rights, but wanna fight them?

Great artwork! I'd put it on a Tee shirt and set up a tent at Oshkosh right near wherever the Yeager stuff is! But you all know, I'm a dillwad!

[fritzthefox]

I'm sure someone will tell me if I'm wrong, BUT...Didn't the ejection seat on the F-104 eject down?

Mudge the confused

Only on early models, owing to limitations of the seats available. The NF-104 was equipped with the C-2, which fired upward. Lots of info here:

http://www.ejectionsite.com/f104seat.htm

I had a lengthy correspondence with the guy who runs that website, who was beyond helpful. The ejection seat you see in the illustration is very accurate.

I appreciate all of your guys supportive comments. It's nice to know my work is, at least, appreciated. I doubt I'll quit working, but I will probably do a lot less digital work of aviation subjects.

Regarding Yeager, Inc., I was less concerned with their nonsense than I am with Lockheed's tactics. Both they and Grumman have been bullying digital artists all over the web.

The EFF just recently faced them down in their forced removal of an artist's 3-D model of a B-24 from Turbosquid's website.

Oleg Maddox, the developer of the flight sim Pacific Fighters, has declared that he will never include another American aircraft in his sims thanks to Grumman. If you've ever played the game, you may wonder why there is no TBM. It's because Grumman gave him a ton of grief over licensing.

Everyone should already be aware of the rise in model kit prices and the extinction of the Resin kit manufacturers owing to aerospace licensing schemes.

It's frustrating seeing new media tied up in such a legal morass. I wanted to be an artist when I grew up, not a lawyer.

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[bipe215]

Read the whole story here:

http://www.nf104.com/stories/stories_11.html

[DaveG]

Dang...do I need to re-name my dog?

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[51fixer]

Dang...do I need to re-name my dog?

If they ask for a percentage you know to send some of what you clean up in the yard.
Rich

[warbird1]

A few observations:

1) Yeager is not liked by anybody I know, including myself. I've spent time with the man and formed that opinion many years ago.

2) Do any of you know that Yeager sued his kids over money? Don't believe me, well here it is:
http://www.aero-news.net/news/aerospace ... &Dynamic=1

3) Intellectual Property rights have gotten so far out of control, that it's just pathetic. It seems like greed, control and money have tainted nearly every organization and individual in the United States. It is so bad, that for example, did you know that it is copyright infringement to sing "Happy Birthday" in a public place without paying royalty rights? Yes, this is true. Did you ever wonder why "Happy Birthday" is NEVER sung in a public restaurant by the staff? It's because they know they could be sued for copyright infringement. Restaurant staff will always sing either another song, or if it is an ethnic restaurant, they will sing it in a foreign language.

This is a sad commentary of how big, large greedy corporations are ruining artistic freedom and expression.

[mustangdriver]

Of course being all civil minded adults here, we would never go and bash someone on an open forum. It would also be just an outrage to give 10% of proceeds to a group like the CYF. I mean here is what they are going to do with it.... flies Young Eagles and Make-A-Wish Foundation children, participates in fundraisers for Down Syndrome and Autistic Folks in Abilene, Texas, schools; conservation; Women in Aviation International, Paralyzed American Veterans, Disabled Veterans, and other programs.

Man what a waste of money

For the record, if you were making it just to make it for yourself, or a museum, that would be different, but if you intend on selling a painting I can see the person depicted having something to say about it. If someone painted my first solo and was selling it, I may feel the same way.

Besides I heard it was actually George Welch that was flying it.

Go have fun guys enjoy yet another thread bashing Yeager.

[mustangdriver]

A few observations:

1) Yeager is not liked by anybody I know, including myself. I've spent time with the man and formed that opinion many years ago.

I like him, so you know one.

[fritzthefox]

Of course being all civil minded adults here, we would never go and bash someone on an open forum. It would also be just an outrage to give 10% of proceeds to a group like the CYF. I mean here is what they are going to do with it.... flies Young Eagles and Make-A-Wish Foundation children, participates in fundraisers for Down Syndrome and Autistic Folks in Abilene, Texas, schools; conservation; Women in Aviation International, Paralyzed American Veterans, Disabled Veterans, and other programs.

Man what a waste of money

For the record, if you were making it just to make it for yourself, or a museum, that would be different, but if you intend on selling a painting I can see the person depicted having something to say about it. If someone painted my first solo and was selling it, I may feel the same way.

Besides I heard it was actually George Welch that was flying it.

Go have fun guys enjoy yet another thread bashing Yeager.

It was not my goal to start a round of Yeager bashing with this thread. I really just wanted to vent my frustration and alert everyone to current issues in IP law because the battles we fight now will have a big impact on the freedoms we enjoy in future.

Public figures have what is known as a "Right of Publicity" when it comes to the use of their image. If I painted a portrait of Chuck, I would need his permission to sell it. But the depiction of historical events is protected under fair use (this has been tested in court repeatedly). In any event, I didn't have a problem with giving to his foundation...I had a problem with being told I had to. Negotiations broke down over unrelated issues.

And, for the record, 100% of my income goes to support Autism. My son is autistic.

I don't have a problem with spreading the wealth to those who actually contribute to my paintings...I gave free prints to everyone who contributed their time to helping me research it. My beef with both Yeager and Lockheed is the sense of entitlement both of them seem to feel towards the fruits of my efforts, and the authority they seem to feel they have over what I choose to do with my own work.

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[Fouga23]

Oh well, what's the big deal. Some a-h*le being famous for something he was't the first to do anyway. I'd say stuff him! Now how about making a digital painting of George Welch going true the sound barrier in the XF-86?

[fritzthefox]

LOL, I think I could do a series of paintings of people claiming to have broken the sound barrier. Wasn't there a Me163 pilot who also claimed it?

[Nathan]

Yeager can be a real a$$. I was never really fond of the man to be honest. Some of my model friends who have met him can contest to that.

BTW...I know he wasn't the first to break the sound barrier no two ways about it. You think a man of his stature would honor the guy who actually died while test flying a plane but instead descides to take all the glory. Thanks but no thanks.

Whew..sorry for the rant.

[RyanShort1]

LOL, I think I could do a series of paintings of people claiming to have broken the sound barrier. Wasn't there a Me163 pilot who also claimed it?

Actually, that sounds like a winner of a concept. Especially if done in a semi-professional looking manner, with a touch of cartoon!

Ryan