Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:13 pm
Michel Lemieux wrote:Wasn't FHC remanufacturing the original Jumos for longer life?
Heard the same Brandon. With new turbine blades & main bearings using modern alloys.
That is a pretty interesting idea. I haven't heard about anyone doing that, but it seems like it would solve the problem. Any more info on it you care to share?
Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:43 pm
I agree with you to a small degree. It is always nice to have a 100% authentic aircraft, in my opinion when you change anything such as skin, frames, stringers etc. you have just lost authenticity. There are several things about the ME 262 that prohibit a flying aircraft.
1) Money only FHC has the type of cash to make this happen. I have been told that their airplane was bought for seven million, engines four each at one million each.
2) Rarity there is a very small number of WWII built ME262's and all of them have had changes done to them such as paint, cut aways, and components sold.
One of the major problems with the Jumo 004 is the fuel control. Bump the throttle in any direction and the flame goes out.
The FHC's engines are being rebuilt with new materials I do not know what they are doing about the fuel control. Are they "shell's" of the original? Well you could argue that, but when was the last time you saw an ME262 fly, when was the last time you saw an ME262? With all of the new "war birds" taking to flight it doesn't matter to me if its "original" or not, if it looks right then it must be.
1) Money only FHC has the type of cash to make this happen. I have been told that their airplane was bought for seven million, engines four each at one million each.
2) Rarity there is a very small number of WWII built ME262's and all of them have had changes done to them such as paint, cut aways, and components sold.
One of the major problems with the Jumo 004 is the fuel control. Bump the throttle in any direction and the flame goes out.
The FHC's engines are being rebuilt with new materials I do not know what they are doing about the fuel control. Are they "shell's" of the original? Well you could argue that, but when was the last time you saw an ME262 fly, when was the last time you saw an ME262? With all of the new "war birds" taking to flight it doesn't matter to me if its "original" or not, if it looks right then it must be.
Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:56 pm
Great photos!
Seeing the airplanes being towed reminds me of an interview I saw on TV many years ago of Adolf Galland. He stated, "I knew the war was lost when I saw the most advanced fighter aircraft in the world (262) being towed out to the runway by a team of oxen".
I'm sure I paraphrased it some.
Seeing the airplanes being towed reminds me of an interview I saw on TV many years ago of Adolf Galland. He stated, "I knew the war was lost when I saw the most advanced fighter aircraft in the world (262) being towed out to the runway by a team of oxen".
I'm sure I paraphrased it some.
Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:16 pm
[quote="b29flteng"]Great photos!
Thank you! I am fortunate to have been there!
Thank you! I am fortunate to have been there!
Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:12 am
Seeing those photos is hard...I waited for many years to see those things fly out of Ft. Worth...and it never happened. It was a sad day when they were crated up and shipped away.
( I didn't have any personal involvment with the program...other than watch through the open hanger door. )
( I didn't have any personal involvment with the program...other than watch through the open hanger door. )
Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:54 am
The Jumo engine overhaul shop has been doing just that at Stockton, California. Doug Clayton, owner of Aero Turbine, is the guy who has taken on the task of making the original Jumo 004s operational and reliable for FHC's ME-262.
I have spent a lot of hours with Doug, a while ago, researching the Jumo at National Archives and NASM archives. Doug has a solid reputation in the turbine overhaul business and is one sharp individual. I believe that he will do just what he says and will make the Jumos run for 1000 or more hours while using modern materials to the original dimensions.
I am excited at the chance that we will hear the Jumo run here at Stockton for the first time since...what...1945/1946?
You're darn right it will be expensive. As far as I am concerned this is money well spent. Rock on Mr. Allen!
I have spent a lot of hours with Doug, a while ago, researching the Jumo at National Archives and NASM archives. Doug has a solid reputation in the turbine overhaul business and is one sharp individual. I believe that he will do just what he says and will make the Jumos run for 1000 or more hours while using modern materials to the original dimensions.
I am excited at the chance that we will hear the Jumo run here at Stockton for the first time since...what...1945/1946?
You're darn right it will be expensive. As far as I am concerned this is money well spent. Rock on Mr. Allen!
Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:39 am
katiegdaisy wrote:Regardless, the original engines had a good 20 hours of flight time before needing to be rehauled. That is not nothing.
Are you offering to pay for the overhauls every few weeks?