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Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:37 pm
As far as I can tell, Bill Greenwood (nor any other Wixer) should have to show his art to have an opinion about yours. Posting your art work here can have rewarding returns, but other than an "atta boy" once in while, that's pretty much it. There is also the possiblity that some don't like it and may say so. In either case, it was your choice to do so, so you've been paid in full.
I think a better explaination is that Bill's rye sense of humor doesn't translate well in Serbia
BTW the serial wasn't displayed on this a/c which was s/n AR 341
Re: ????
Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:03 pm
Jack Cook wrote:I think a better explaination is that Bill's rye sense of humor doesn't translate well in Serbia
I guess a wry sense of humor requires an explanation...
Ryan
Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:37 pm
The NMUSAF has two of them.
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Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:40 pm
The NMUSAF has two of them
2 people with a sense of humor there would explain a few things
Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:53 pm
I was just answering a question about Spitfires in U.S. Markings.
Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:20 pm
The old saying comes to mind, "You don't have to be a dog to judge a dog show ...", and it applies here.
As a fellow artist who DOES have work to show you if you wish, I say post your work, take the hits, nits, and crits, and the accolades. If you're good, you'll get them all in spades. Sometimes you may get a good idea from a non-artist which gives you food for thought for next time. And sometimes artistic considerations/decisions are made by the artist that don't conform to stone-cold "reality", which blows a lot of "technical" minds a little. Myself, I consider "reality" a jumping-off point, not a limiting factor. That's why they call what we do "Art" (with a capital "A").
Bill owns and flies (or, flew - it's being repaired after an accident) a real Spitfire, so I'd personally perk my ears up when he speaks on this subject. The best advice when it comes to any comment, though, is to sit back and take them all in ... use what you can, disregard the rest.
Just ignore that Jack Cook fellow - as you've seen, he'll whip out a photo of the subject if you're not careful!
Oh, the BBMF's(?) AB910, for one, is a genuine 133 Eagle Squadron vet. She may be the only surviving ACTUAL E/S airframe? I've got Eagle Squadron diaries that show Don Gentile (among others) flew that kite. I know that "new" Vb Spit at this year's Oshkosh is an actual vet flown by Don Blakeslee a time or two, but she didn't fly with the Eagles, IIRC.
Wade
As a fellow artist who DOES have work to show you if you wish, I say post your work, take the hits, nits, and crits, and the accolades. If you're good, you'll get them all in spades. Sometimes you may get a good idea from a non-artist which gives you food for thought for next time. And sometimes artistic considerations/decisions are made by the artist that don't conform to stone-cold "reality", which blows a lot of "technical" minds a little. Myself, I consider "reality" a jumping-off point, not a limiting factor. That's why they call what we do "Art" (with a capital "A").
Bill owns and flies (or, flew - it's being repaired after an accident) a real Spitfire, so I'd personally perk my ears up when he speaks on this subject. The best advice when it comes to any comment, though, is to sit back and take them all in ... use what you can, disregard the rest.
Just ignore that Jack Cook fellow - as you've seen, he'll whip out a photo of the subject if you're not careful!
Oh, the BBMF's(?) AB910, for one, is a genuine 133 Eagle Squadron vet. She may be the only surviving ACTUAL E/S airframe? I've got Eagle Squadron diaries that show Don Gentile (among others) flew that kite. I know that "new" Vb Spit at this year's Oshkosh is an actual vet flown by Don Blakeslee a time or two, but she didn't fly with the Eagles, IIRC.
Wade
rye
Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:29 pm
In my first post I was just observing about the photo/drawing and the differences between what I thought the real ones showed. I did not mean to hurt the artist's feelings. I didn't even realize he was so sensitive. In my second post I was trying to use a little humor.
First of all, Jack I don't have" rye humor". I don't like rye bread or even rye whiskey. I am strictly a whole wheat bread man. I guess I do sometimes have a wry sense of humor.
In any event Jack Cook has the final word or photograph that shows the Mk V Spitfire with prop blades even though the spinner is turning, and it shows that at least that USAAC one did not have the serial numbers painted on the starboard side. So both Mgawa and I were each correct about one feature.
First of all, Jack I don't have" rye humor". I don't like rye bread or even rye whiskey. I am strictly a whole wheat bread man. I guess I do sometimes have a wry sense of humor.
In any event Jack Cook has the final word or photograph that shows the Mk V Spitfire with prop blades even though the spinner is turning, and it shows that at least that USAAC one did not have the serial numbers painted on the starboard side. So both Mgawa and I were each correct about one feature.
Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:46 am
Gentlemen- friends- forummates-
Yes- I am Serbian, darn temperamental and sensitive. I find that WIX is friendly place and I will try to be friendly. To regret my knowledge in English is not as fine so some problem could appear here.
First at all I grant thanks to Jack Cook who display archive image of the subject Spitfire. This image proof what I have done on my profile. I know that Mr. Bill Greenwood is not artist so I was suprised that he talk about some thing which could know only the artist. I did not want to face this gentlemen as well he is definitely important person and at all he is for sure in better position then I am.
So maybe I am artist. All right- how about that? First at all I bellong to the European group of artist where thing is much differ. My three painting in oil are displayed in one large European museum and more are acquired. Painting style are between Caravaggio and French impressionist from 19. century. All I made is sold out in advance. Still I am away from the one gentleme from netherlands who sold one painting from 1500 to 2500 Euro but I will in some short time reach this level.
In the digital aspect i am the official illustrator for the two large publisher, one from UK and the other one from France. Also server for many of private orders and my digital art are used in many projects, books or magazine. This is very slipery area and nobody is tolerant to the mistakes. Competition is mre then shart and brutal and all means. Something even with no logic and I lost some arrangements just because I am... Serbian
maybe you would not believe it but it is on you.
In this light I must think three times about every detail before I put it on canvas. So this Spitfire is made best possible and I spent even few hurs in analuze various documents before place elements on it.
Also about the style- no publisher like the profiles with lower undercariage. This is because it waste more space in mgazxine. Also this folow other details- propeller have to be in spin movement and also publisher in general don't like the pilots inside. This is the fact I am faced with when I make profile.
Thats all what I say is the reason why Bills words kill me. He simply, from my point of view, did not understand many aspect of my work and did not check out available historic documents before go into the direct hit.
Bill- hope that you know better now about me. My name is Srecko Bradic. Iam 42 years old and live and work in Serbia. I have to wake up early and lay down late if I want to feed my family. My daughter sleep now, she is three years old.
I am glad to hear that you owe Spitfire and wish you many happy years in the cockpit of this glorious machine. Also thanks to all who have talk here and thanks for all who support me. Personally am gad to see Chicoartist which work is so admirable.
Cheers
Yes- I am Serbian, darn temperamental and sensitive. I find that WIX is friendly place and I will try to be friendly. To regret my knowledge in English is not as fine so some problem could appear here.
First at all I grant thanks to Jack Cook who display archive image of the subject Spitfire. This image proof what I have done on my profile. I know that Mr. Bill Greenwood is not artist so I was suprised that he talk about some thing which could know only the artist. I did not want to face this gentlemen as well he is definitely important person and at all he is for sure in better position then I am.
So maybe I am artist. All right- how about that? First at all I bellong to the European group of artist where thing is much differ. My three painting in oil are displayed in one large European museum and more are acquired. Painting style are between Caravaggio and French impressionist from 19. century. All I made is sold out in advance. Still I am away from the one gentleme from netherlands who sold one painting from 1500 to 2500 Euro but I will in some short time reach this level.
In the digital aspect i am the official illustrator for the two large publisher, one from UK and the other one from France. Also server for many of private orders and my digital art are used in many projects, books or magazine. This is very slipery area and nobody is tolerant to the mistakes. Competition is mre then shart and brutal and all means. Something even with no logic and I lost some arrangements just because I am... Serbian
maybe you would not believe it but it is on you.
In this light I must think three times about every detail before I put it on canvas. So this Spitfire is made best possible and I spent even few hurs in analuze various documents before place elements on it.
Also about the style- no publisher like the profiles with lower undercariage. This is because it waste more space in mgazxine. Also this folow other details- propeller have to be in spin movement and also publisher in general don't like the pilots inside. This is the fact I am faced with when I make profile.
Thats all what I say is the reason why Bills words kill me. He simply, from my point of view, did not understand many aspect of my work and did not check out available historic documents before go into the direct hit.
Bill- hope that you know better now about me. My name is Srecko Bradic. Iam 42 years old and live and work in Serbia. I have to wake up early and lay down late if I want to feed my family. My daughter sleep now, she is three years old.
I am glad to hear that you owe Spitfire and wish you many happy years in the cockpit of this glorious machine. Also thanks to all who have talk here and thanks for all who support me. Personally am gad to see Chicoartist which work is so admirable.
Cheers
Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:28 am
mustangdriver wrote:The NMUSAF has two of them.
True...but they are non flyers.
Here is PA908 at Dayton prior to changing the serial from yellow to white.
Image: Wes Henry
MA863 at Dayton
...and some flyers that have carried US livery in the past.
MH367
TE184
PL965
PeterA
Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:20 am
PeterA wrote:PL965
PeterA
Excuse my ignorance on Spitfires, Peter, but a few questions for you on PL965:
1) Why do the engine and cowl lines look so different from any other Spitfire I've seen? What mark is that one?
2) What is that tiny window on the USAAC insignia? Is that a recce version, or is that window something else?
Thanks for the pictures!
Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:56 am
warbird1 wrote:PeterA wrote:PL965
PeterA
Excuse my ignorance on Spitfires, Peter, but a few questions for you on PL965:
1) Why do the engine and cowl lines look so different from any other Spitfire I've seen? What mark is that one?
2) What is that tiny window on the USAAC insignia? Is that a recce version, or is that window something else?
Thanks for the pictures!
Warbird1,
Spitfire PL965 is a PR Mk XI. A photo-reconnaissance variant. The small window is for the oblique camera, when fitted. Two further cameras were fitted for downward coverage.
The engine cowl line:-
The top cowling has the later profile as fitted to late Mk IXs and Mk XVIs. Just a bit more clearance.
The lower cowling with the 'deep chest' is to clear the the much larger oil tank fitted to the PR XI. This was required for the deep penetration missions where the the 'bowser wing' fuel would extend the range over fighter variants by perhaps x3.
PeterA
Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:42 am
I like the recce version. That's cool and I hadn't really seen that one. ( I haven't been to the museum in 21 years.)
I would love to see one flying per the profile. I like that scheme alot.
Keep posting Mgawa. I think your profiles are top notch! I agree, very rarely do you ever see profiles with the gear down, props, pilots, etc.
I would love to see one flying per the profile. I like that scheme alot.
Keep posting Mgawa. I think your profiles are top notch! I agree, very rarely do you ever see profiles with the gear down, props, pilots, etc.
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:49 am
Pete Regina restored that a/c for the museum a number of years ago.
He had pout his daughter's name on the cowl but I guess the powers to be didn't like it.
He had pout his daughter's name on the cowl but I guess the powers to be didn't like it.
Re: ??
Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:37 am
Jack Cook wrote:Pete Regina restored that a/c for the museum a number of years ago.
He had pout his daughter's name on the cowl but I guess the powers to be didn't like it.
'Lauren Marie'
who
Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:53 am
My first impression from reading the last post by Mgawa is that a clever guy is having a lot of fun with WIX members and they are eating it up. I could certainly be wrong, but to me it sounds just like Borrat, sp?. Heck, even a conversation between Pres. Bush and Gov. Arnold is easier to understand than this.
On the other hand if you are really from Serbia, then please accept my apology for any insult you may have felt. My Serbian is not too great either. So if Mgawa is a real person and not a copy of a great comedian and imposter from the U K, please keep posting on WIX.. And as for a "hit", that was not my intention. Also as for me being an important person, our standard in the US is that everyone has the same importance as for a being able to offer an opinion. Some of us, like Peter Arnold or myself may have knowledge in some areas, others in other areas. It does not make us more important, even if our info or opinion may be more valid in that area. If I wrote about food in Serbia or Peter about waterskiing in Texas we would have a right to an opinion, but we would be talking out of ignorance. And I am not an artist, although I admire art, especially impressonist.
I'd love to be able to paint. I once saw a photo in SI of the great Bill Russell jumping against Wilt to block a shot. I did a painting , trying to show the stretch and movement , strength and grace of two great players. The result does not hang in the Lourve; it looked more like two chocolate popsicles together melting in the sun.
On the other hand if you are really from Serbia, then please accept my apology for any insult you may have felt. My Serbian is not too great either. So if Mgawa is a real person and not a copy of a great comedian and imposter from the U K, please keep posting on WIX.. And as for a "hit", that was not my intention. Also as for me being an important person, our standard in the US is that everyone has the same importance as for a being able to offer an opinion. Some of us, like Peter Arnold or myself may have knowledge in some areas, others in other areas. It does not make us more important, even if our info or opinion may be more valid in that area. If I wrote about food in Serbia or Peter about waterskiing in Texas we would have a right to an opinion, but we would be talking out of ignorance. And I am not an artist, although I admire art, especially impressonist.
I'd love to be able to paint. I once saw a photo in SI of the great Bill Russell jumping against Wilt to block a shot. I did a painting , trying to show the stretch and movement , strength and grace of two great players. The result does not hang in the Lourve; it looked more like two chocolate popsicles together melting in the sun.