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Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:16 am

DaveM2 wrote:I. Yes, at least one survives at the Chinese AFM (or another large collection)
Actually there are two there, both converted to turpoprops at sometime in their life.

If anyone cares enough, I can dig out some digital photos from last year I took.

Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:08 pm

All remaining Tu-4 Bulls:

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... t_entry=tr

Tillerman.

Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:10 pm

This thread reminded me that both piston and turboprop versions of this aircraft have been exquisitely modeled by George Maiorana.

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Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:13 pm

Wow to the above!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:06 pm

Chad Veich wrote:This thread reminded me that both piston and turboprop versions of this aircraft have been exquisitely modeled by George Maiorana.

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Amazing scale work on those.

Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:31 pm

Looks like the only one left not a turbo prop is 01.

Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:04 pm

From what I remember the CIA or the OSS or whoever it was in those days had heard a rumour about the Russians building B-29's but chose to not believe it, until an entire small freighter was caught trying to leave a Texas port for the USSR loaded with nothing except new/surplus B-29 tires and tubes! THAT got their attention! :D

Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:23 pm

The russians did the same thig with the C-47. It was reverse engineered to become the Lisunov Li-2. I got to fly in the last airworthy one last year from Budapest, Hungary to Kecskemet airforce base for an airshow.

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Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:44 pm

The Li-2 was license built with Douglas assistance.

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vernicator wrote:The russians did the same thig with the C-47. It was reverse engineered to become the Lisunov Li-2. I got to fly in the last airworthy one last year from Budapest, Hungary to Kecskemet airforce base for an airshow.

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Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:58 pm

The best part- and the one showing the accuracy with which the Soviets copied the B-29- is the fact that when they copied them, they mainly had early models, without all the refinements and improvements of the end of war production ones: and came up with the very same design flaws we were working on correcting! Even into the engine flaws...

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Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:48 am

they mainly had early models, without all the refinements and improvements


They have own construction bureau and need no further improvements. War force everybody to make some fast and instant solution. For excample in Germany on the project of Ju287 have used nose wheel of downed B-24. Simply they used what they have.

Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:36 am

All of Russias aircraft were produced after the end of WWII. There was no war on to rush them into production. They had the mistaken belief that the aircraft were better than they were and the rush was artificial (yet real) because Stalin wanted to have a nuclear capable bomber as soon as possible because he mistakenly believed that his scientists would be able to create a deliverable bomb of a similar size of the Americans in a timeframe that turned out to be impossible even with the help of the German Scientists and stolen plans at their disposal.
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