Warbird Information Exchange

Yes, i agree Mudge, A Typhoon would look great sitting at an airshow, like the FW190 looked at Duxford this year. I'm not current on my warbird engines like so many others are. I didn't realize that the Typhoon would look like a buffoon without a Sabre in it. Sorry ... but anyway, I still would love to see one sitting out in the grass. Even fired up and taxiing down the runway. Even if it didn't have the exact engine in it. You mean to tell me there's no engine that could work if there were a Typhoon sitting around? It's just a simple question from a simple guy. Sorry if I'm a dumb warbird fan, maybe my Globe Swift's engine would work ... lolol, I'll work on smarter questions from now on ... lolol, Just "man up" and ease off the stupid PM's kids. It just makes YOU look stupid.

Hellcat the thin skinned ....

I for one agree with Hellcat. Who says that you can't make one? Did anyone bother to tell Gerry Beck that he couldn't make a P-51A? He did just that, and it is an amazing aircraft.

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Chris Henry
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I don't think anyone's questioning whether one couldn't be made. I, for one, would love to see a full-sized Typhie fly. There just aren't any engines, other than Sabres, with the right shape and power to fly one. Without a viable engine, all you have is a static (which wouldn't be such a bad idea of course...).

Cheers,
Richard

PS. As for people sending insulting PM's... that's cowardice. If you have something to say, stand behind your words, and post it publicly.

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I'd take a Typhoon over a sea Fury, nothing against a Sea Fury, I just like the rare airplanes, I'd take a P-40B over all other P-40's, a P-39 over a P-63, It was real nice to see an FW190 sitting out with all the rest at Duxford. I would love to see more aircraft parked out with the flyable ones at airshows ... Chino .... would be nice to see more Yanks aircraft pulled out, their F6F, P-39, etc. I just love more to look at out in the sun.

ME110, B-26, P-38, P-39, Typhoon, ME109, Zero, P-51B, FW190, spitfires, Hurricanes, F6F ... you get the idea ... and of course, all parked in the grass like at Duxford .... That's cool. If they fly, they fly, if not ... no big deal, just being out in the sun .... Looking ready to fly.

Nope, not really, a H-24 configuration let alone one with the shear grunt of a Napier-Sabre just doesn't exist, and a radial or a V12 inline just wud render the project somewhat of a joke in reality.

I don't anyone here wouldn't like to see a replica Tiffie fly if there was a suitable engine......but in reality it's just not going to happen I'm afraid.

Insulting PM's are just so childish and stupid, there's no such thing as a stupid question.......only stupid answers and it seems that's what you've got via PM.......

The Typhoon had so many idiosycracies, that it would be difficult, but I don't think impossible not to bring back to life. I think (IF you were a good "Horse trader" you might be able to get a Napier "H in-line". Then if you can manage for it to catch fire 28 out of a thousand starts you be real close to the average. Then, if you could get the tail to fall off once in a while, you'd be right there! Whoopiii!

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Richard, are you sure about that? Flugwerk is building flyable Doras using Allison 1710's, but I'm pretty sure they aren't grafting P-40 noses on them. In fact, I'm quite sure the goal is to keep the nose profile as original as is possible. Now, the 1710 doesn't exactly resemble a Jumo 213 physically (nor sound like one, nor have identical horsepower), but Flugwerk is making it happen.

So what would prevent a Typhoon flying with a Griffon while still maintaining the original nose profile?

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It was a good idea, it just didn't work.

Why is that?

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It was a good idea, it just didn't work.

Because the Typhoon had a 24-cylinder engine. I supose you could fit an Alison V-3420, if you can find one............

There you go, Hellcat, there's your answer. A Typhoon replica powered by a V-3420. I've seen a couple around, both Fantasy of Flight and NMUSAF have examples on display.

As for a Griffon though, 12 cylinders and 2,000 hp just doesn't cut it in my book. A bit like fitting a 4-cylinder Continental in a Mustang!

there's my answer all right .... no real good answer, just too much trouble to even discuss anymore. The Typhoon has always been one of my favorite airplanes, but to ever see an actual one fly will probably never happen. Not in my lifetime, But you never know, stranger things have happened. keep dreamin though

Does the Typhoon at RAF Hendon still have an engine installed? Perhaps it could be purchased and reconditioned? After all their aircraft is permanently static and a replica or dud engine could be swapped for it.

There's a Sabre at Wigram, NZ too, though from memory it has been sectioned.

There's a non-flying replica underway in the UK isn't there?

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Presume you are referring to Kermit Week's Tempest, currently on long term restoration with Personal Plane Services at Booker, UK (Wycombe Air Park)?

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The National Aviation Museum of Canada in Ottawa does take some of their unique aircrafts outside on special events.

Of course, none of them fly but with the blue sky above them instead of the roof structure, one can dream better and it makes for great photo shots !

Too bad their Sabre is a cut-away ! No chance of making this one run again...

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Yes it does have an engine as far as I know......but youve got two hopes with that idea.....and one's Bob

And as for Allison engined Dora replica's......

Hi Hellcat,

The Typhoon airframe more than any other aspect dictates and limits the choice of engines which can be used (well, other than certain regulatory bodies, but let's not go there, eh!).

The Sabre for all it's complexity is a very compact engine and fits snugly under the contours of the Typhoon's cowlings. Trying to fit a Merlin or Griffon would run into trouble early on in, firstly, maintaining the said contours of the cowling, that being physically fitting the thing in the available space (the heads of the V banks would get in the way), and secondly the physical mount itself. I don't have the dimensions to hand but a suitable (from a power perspective) V12 is simply too tall.

The Typhoon is designed to have the rear "feet" of the Sabre attached to the top of the upper main spar carry through boom. Any attempt to alter this arrangement to create enough space to shoehorn in a Griffon or similar would result in a major re-design of the structural heart of the aeroplane. Simply shifting the engine forward to sit in front of rather than on top of the spar would greatly extend the length of the nose.

That said, if you weren't too bothered about whether the front of the aeroplane looked like a Typhoon, sure, a V12 could be fitted. It would look bl00dy odd though.

Late series Typhoons were a darn good aeroplane. The early airframe issues had long been resolved once the issues were understood, and Napier (with a dollop of help from Bristol who had a great deal of sleeve valve experience with their series of radials) had solved the teething troubles which had plagued the Sabre for most of it's early life. That said, the TBO of even the late engines was never too great, definitely one to have approved to operate on an “on condition” basis. But then, perhaps not!

Regarding surviving engines, it is sad that a good number have indeed been sectioned thereby rendering a large number of bits completely useless. I understand that this was done by Napier as part of their apprentice training scheme.

George

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