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Tyler

071 was #42-92071, The plane Edward Frome flew on d-day but with Clarence D'Aigle as co-pilot

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Tyler Pinkerton
Active Member of Air Heritage Inc. of Beaver Falls, PA.
Aircraft: C47B, C-123K, Fairchild F-24, Funk Model B, L-21B, T-28B, T-34B
Static: F-4C Phantom II, F-15A, T-3 Provost

Oops sorry. I'm a little late to this thread. That'll teach me to read the whole thread. (opens mouth, inserts foot)

I'll behave, and pay attention now

Andy Scott

Nice job on the expanded photo....

This is an odd piece of art. What strikes me particularly is the background. It is symmetrical on both sides of the nose...the sort of pointy feature being the forward element. But you really can't put the words in that symmetrical shape...symmetrically. On the clear pilots side the word "Luck" radiates out of the point...but on the other side the word "of" is closest to the forward point.

The name is Luck of the Irish....no "The". Up in the pointy feature there appears to be quote marks...but they are out of scale to the script. There also appears to be another set of quote marks at the end of Irish....and the orientation is even worse.

But be that as it may be....the "font" is simply classic hand-written script. The suggestion of clovers is obvious considering the subject...and apparent in the art particularly where the art meets the gray underside. But to my eye there are a lot of sharp edges that make the shape of rounded clover leaves hard to place, especially in the back end of the art...on both sides.

I don't see separation of the clover leaves behind the letters. There is a highlight feature on the leading edge of the art background.

A lot of art was suggested by movie or song titles, and I checked for something along these lines from the war years, or before, and came up dry. No song titles, and there was a movie with that name came out in 1948 so would not apply.

This will be an interesting piece of art to recreate.

the name was chosen because two of the crew members were Irish. To me the background looks like a cloud.

Based off knowing the plane is OD, do we agree that the background color is black?

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Tyler Pinkerton
Active Member of Air Heritage Inc. of Beaver Falls, PA.
Aircraft: C47B, C-123K, Fairchild F-24, Funk Model B, L-21B, T-28B, T-34B
Static: F-4C Phantom II, F-15A, T-3 Provost

A "black" cloud? I know the Irish have issues...but....

I see a perfect set of spade-like lobes hitting the gray underside color...this suggests one leaf of a clover.

If the background color was pure dark green that would translate as "black".

Could it be a rough map of Ireland?



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But fitting for 'Every dark cloud has a silver lining'

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Lest Hero-worship raise it's head and cloud our vision, remember that World War II was fought and won by the same sort of twenty-something punks we wouldn't let our daughters date.

I bit the bullet on photobucket and got a plus account for at least a year as I discovered that it was affecting my fund raiser pictures as well.

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Tyler Pinkerton
Active Member of Air Heritage Inc. of Beaver Falls, PA.
Aircraft: C47B, C-123K, Fairchild F-24, Funk Model B, L-21B, T-28B, T-34B
Static: F-4C Phantom II, F-15A, T-3 Provost

I think those are dice.

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All right, Mister Dorfmann, start pullin'!
Pilot: "Flap switch works hard in down position."
Mechanic: "Flap switch checked OK. Pilot needs more P.T." - Flight report, TB-17G 42-102875 (Hobbs AAF)

Since I first saw that photo I have been thinking along the same lines. It was either clover or a cloud. At first, clover didnt make sense to me because of the numerous "humps" which lead me along the lines of clouds.

However, tonight, I have been trying to come up with some T-shirt ideas for the fund raising campaign currently active as well as to sell at our upcoming fly-in. I really want to include the noseart on at least one shirt design, so I went back and was looking at the photo again.

I ended up printing out a blown up picture of the noseart and have been studying it as well as on the computer. I think I have solved what it is, or close to what it is. On the printout, I can see areas of dark shading, such as a black outline mixed within the (presumably) green color. I believe it is a set of three and four leaf clovers stacked on top of each other. if you look at the very bottom of the background just above the grey, there appears to be the stem of the bottom clover.

The clovers would obviously be green with black outlines. Then around the the entire background is a white boarder. and ""Luck of the Irish"" painted over top of it all.

I am currently drawing something up now that will show what i think it might be Using my ipad's screen as a backlight.

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Tyler Pinkerton
Active Member of Air Heritage Inc. of Beaver Falls, PA.
Aircraft: C47B, C-123K, Fairchild F-24, Funk Model B, L-21B, T-28B, T-34B
Static: F-4C Phantom II, F-15A, T-3 Provost

I would like to know some information about a C-47 using the serial number, do you know what page may I go to??

you mean you have a serial number and you want to search for info on it?

If so, just start doing google searches. That's what I did. When that turned up nothing except for the stuff I already knew, I turned to here. There are a few members here who are sort of experts in c47 history, at least I would consider them to be.

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Tyler Pinkerton
Active Member of Air Heritage Inc. of Beaver Falls, PA.
Aircraft: C47B, C-123K, Fairchild F-24, Funk Model B, L-21B, T-28B, T-34B
Static: F-4C Phantom II, F-15A, T-3 Provost

That is definitely a 'rough' map of Ireland on either side!

Bird...

Regrettably I have to disagree. The reason is that the "shape", whatever it is, is symmetrical--or perhaps better said ' a mirror image' on both sides of the plane's nose. If we were to presume that the shape on the pilots side is in fact a rough map of Ireland, then in order for the same shape to be on the co-pilots side you would have to paint the map backwards to have the "pointy" feature pointing forward on both sides.

There are too many things going against it to suggest that it is Ireland being represented. Remember that half of Ireland was neutral and the other half aligned with Great Britain during the war. Are both Northern Ireland and the Irish Free State represented in this rough map? Is the outline of Ireland so recognizable that it would be an ideal background for the nose art name?....

Just a few thoughts