Kansas Locator

mrhenniger · **Posted:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:56 am

I have taken the Kansas section of the Locator as far as I can, so I turn it over to you...

http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/Locator.php?Region=KS

You will find the “Need Help List” below. It is simply a list of locations I need assistance with to make the data more complete and is a subset of the complete listing available via the link above. The “Need Help List” is based on Locator locations with the big red + signs. If you notice you have any info to contribute when viewing the complete list just click the red or blue + and you will be taken to a form where many of the fields will already be filled out but you can also provide corrections and/or new information. You can also post here if you would like.

I am looking forward to any assistance you may be able to provide.

Thanks in advance.

Mike

EDIT: The "Need Help List" has been moved to a more recent post.

mrhenniger · **Posted:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:21 am

Sasnak wrote:

The B-47 you reference as possibly being in Salina has been moved. This is the RB-47H (4299) that is now on display at the NMUSAF (Dayton).

Thanks! That move happened last year right?

Mike

EDIT: The "Need Help List" has been moved to a more recent post.

mrhenniger · **Posted:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:59 pm

Sasnak wrote:

The RB-47H was moved in 1998 (I think). It took them over 3 years to restore.

Noted.

Sasnak wrote:

The WV (Constellation) is still in Salina. Refer to this link for current info/photo: http://www.conniesurvivors.com/N1206.htm

I added the URL to the database. I can't see it using Maps Live sat images. Any idea at what part of the airport it is parked?

Sasnak wrote:

I copied your Combat Air Museum (Topeka) info and made a few corrections:
20+: JN-4D, (Meyers) OTW, UC-61K, O-47B, Bf-109 (replica), BT-13, Harvard Mk IV, C-45, C-47D, EC-121T, T-33A, F-84F, F-86H, F-101B, F-105D, F-4D, RU-8D, F9F-5, F3D, F-11F, US-2A, F-14A, H-12, H-23, CH-53, CH-54, (2) UH-1H, Lim-2 (Mig-15), Lim-6 (Mig-17), MiG-21, Honest John, Little John,
The EC-121T is displayed outside. A L-20 (Beaver) left the collection in late 90's. A T-28B left the collection in 2005.

Just to clarify... There are no A-4 displayed outside? The following types are not in the collection as well?: F-10B, UH-1M, SNB-5 and Little John
I don't see them in your list. However Andy Marden does list them in his book.

Sasnak wrote:

The Kansas History Museum (Topeka) doesn't have a B-57 or F-4.

Noted.

Sasnak wrote:

The Kansas National Guard Museum (Topeka) does have a B-57. This is in addition to the B-57 gate guard at the 190th ARW.

You have my attention! I didn't know about this one. I can't find it using Google Earth. If you don't mind could you use my maps to get the coordinates. Click the dossier icon for the Kansas National Guard Museum. Scroll down to the map and right click on the location of the B-57. An info window will be displayed with the coordinates.

Sasnak wrote:

The American Flight Museum (Topeka) no longer has an O-2. They do have a (member owned) Grumman C-1A under restoration to fly.

It is not critical information, but when did the O-2 leave?

Thanks for your information. Changes have been made to the data file which should be uploaded tonight.

Mike

EDIT: The need help list has been moved to a more recent post in this thread.

shoki · **Posted:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:26 pm

mike, some revisions.
There is no UH-1 at the airportin Emporia, there is an F-4D 65585, also an Beech SNB Twin Beech at the Airport minue engines otherwise complete. The Uh-1 is in a small park at South commerical and logan Ave.

the T-33 in Indepdence is a gate guard at the airport.
The aircraft tail at the blockbuster video in Newton, was from a cessna 172, or 182 it's gone, probably scrapped.
Pratt I think the H-3's are gone not sure. The Pratt airport north of town has a former Texas Air Guard F-4, plus a T-38 both mounted on pylons.

mrhenniger · **Posted:** Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:39 am

shoki wrote:

There is no UH-1 at the airportin Emporia,

My mistake regarding the UH-1 at the airport. I should have typed F-4. Hence your next point…

shoki wrote:

there is an F-4D 65585, also an Beech SNB Twin Beech at the Airport minue engines otherwise complete.

For some reason I was asking for help about the location of the F-4, but I already knew where it is. Some days I just should not get out of bed.

As for the Twin Beach, I have a note indicating a JRB left for a museum in Louisiana. I don’t have a date on that. When did you last spot it?

shoki wrote:

The Uh-1 is in a small park at South commerical and logan Ave.

Yeah, apparently the park is near the river. I think it is on the west side of Rte 57, but I don’t know for sure. My coordinates are only approximate.

shoki wrote:

the T-33 in Independence is a gate guard at the airport.

The sat images (GE and ML) are both poor for that area. Maps Live is somewhat better, but I still don’t see the distinctive T-33 shape. Is it mounted out at the road? Is it on the north side or the east side?

shoki wrote:

The aircraft tail at the blockbuster video in Newton, was from a cessna 172, or 182 it's gone, probably scrapped.

Check.

shoki wrote:

Pratt I think the H-3's are gone not sure.

I’ll just modify the entry for now. In what part of Pratt were they?

shoki wrote:

The Pratt airport north of town has a former Texas Air Guard F-4, plus a T-38 both mounted on pylons.

Yep. There is also a AH-1.

Sasnak wrote:

The WV Constellation is parked on the ramp, the northwestern part. It has a fence around it. There is a trucking company that parks alot of trailers on the open ramp. Look for it slightly north of that point.

Found it. I overlooked it before because is it looked like an active aircraft heading to the taxy way. You would think it would be parked closer to the grass.

Sasnak wrote:

The Combat Air Museum has two UH-1's. One is an H (I believe) and one was being restored to resemble a gunship. No work has been performed to that end for many years.

Check.

Sasnak wrote:

Yes, there is not an A-4 on display outside. The only two aircraft outside are the EC-121T and the Lim-6 (Mig-17)

Check. Did they ever have any A-4s?

Sasnak wrote:

The SNB-5 is the C-45 listed in the collection. One in the same.

Dohhhhh….

Sasnak wrote:

The F-10B is the F3D Skynight. One in the same.

Dohhhhh…..

Sasnak wrote:

Not an expert on the rockets. They do have an Honest John, not sure about a Little John.

I don’t know why I am bothering with these. I don’t list rockets in the Locator.

Sasnak wrote:

The American Flight Museum sold it's O-2 (really a C-337) several years ago.

Check.

Thanks to everyone for all of the great information. I have a number of emails to go through as well. It looks like Kansas is one popular place.

Mike

EDIT: The "Need Help List" has been moved to a more recent post.

mrhenniger · **Posted:** Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:14 pm

Sasnak wrote:

Mike,

The Combat Air Museum does have an A-4. It's a TA-4J. It's on display inside.

The Kansas National Guard Museum's B-57 is a tandem seat EB model that was once on display at the Beale AFB Museum. It has just recently been completely assembled/restored by the 190th ARW and is currently stored on their ramp, pending movement to the museum grounds.

This is the EB-57B that is slated for the Kansas National Guard Museum:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&c ... &encType=1

Not to be confused with the Gate Guard B-57 the 190th displays:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&c ... &encType=1

Also, as for one of the remaining questions (#11 Pratt), there are several "stripped" H-3 airframes in a yard/property of sorts, near a garage. The property is on the north side of Hwy 54 on the east side of town. Don't know any details.

All good information. Thanks.

Mike

shoki · **Posted:** Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:00 am

Mike I last saw the twin Beech about three months ago, I need to go up to the college there next week I'll try to get a s/n. the data plate does say SNB-5. I was told at the airport that the musuem would sell the aircraft cheap, but only if it's restored.
The H-3's in pratt were on the east side of town on hiway 50 the garage the were at is no longer there. I don't know were they went.

mrhenniger · **Posted:** Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:09 am

shoki wrote:

Mike I last saw the twin Beech about three months ago, I need to go up to the college there next week I'll try to get a s/n. the data plate does say SNB-5. I was told at the airport that the musuem would sell the aircraft cheap, but only if it's restored.

According to Andy Marden's book it is BuNo 51241. Of course feel free to confirm this with the data plane. I am sure Andy would not mind as it strengthens the data integrity.

shoki wrote:

The H-3's in pratt were on the east side of town on hiway 50 the garage the were at is no longer there. I don't know were they went.

Thanks for confirming that.

Mike

RareBear · **Posted:** Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:27 am

Mike,

I covered the Independence airport pretty thoroughly on Microsoft Virtual Earth (images are pretty decent) and did not see a T-33 anywhere. It's planform is fairly easily recognizable. Lots of Cessna's, though.

Walt

Second Air Force · **Posted:** Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:43 am

Mike,

The T-33 thought to be at Independence is actually at Coffeyville. I believe it is in the north hangar being cosmetically restored, and I was once told that it will be put back outside (at Coffeyville, I think) as a guardian when done. It seems to me that it had been at IDP and was moved to Coffeyville by the EAA chapter there, but that may not be correct information. Here's a photo I shot of her in January of 2003 in front of the north WWII hangar at Coffeyville:

I'm unsure of it's current status, but this may clear up the IDP mystery to some extent.

Scott

GARY HILTON · **Posted:** Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:06 pm

Atwood, KS. Yes there is a AH-1 at the airport 25 yards from the hiway (Hiway 14?) just to the north of the town of Atwood.
Girard, Ks. I was told that the UH-i is at the center of town near or at the court house
Washington, Ks...F-84 I thought this a/c was an F-86...it has been a while since I've been thru this area, but will make it a point to get back that way...Anyway the aircraft in question is mounted on a pole at the airport..

mrhenniger · **Posted:** Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:03 pm

RareBear wrote:

I covered the Independence airport pretty thoroughly on Microsoft Virtual Earth (images are pretty decent) and did not see a T-33 anywhere. It's planform is fairly easily recognizable. Lots of Cessna's, though.

I could not see it either, however Scott explains why...

Second Air Force wrote:

The T-33 thought to be at Independence is actually at Coffeyville. I believe it is in the north hangar being cosmetically restored, and I was once told that it will be put back outside (at Coffeyville, I think) as a guardian when done. It seems to me that it had been at IDP and was moved to Coffeyville by the EAA chapter there, but that may not be correct information. I'm unsure of it's current status, but this may clear up the IDP mystery to some extent.

Thanks Scott!

GARY HILTON wrote:

Atwood, KS. Yes there is a AH-1 at the airport 25 yards from the hiway (Hiway 14?) just to the north of the town of Atwood.

It is at a Legion Post correct? Is that post about 1/2 between the airport drive way and the first road to the north of the airport? The sat images are not too bad, but it is very difficult even with good images to pick out UH-1s and AH-1s.

GARY HILTON wrote:

Girard, Ks. I was told that the UH-i is at the center of town near or at the court house.

That is what I have in my notes. The pointer on the map...
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/Locator.php ... 607#TheMap
...is an educated guess, but I am hoping someone from Girard can tell me if I am close.

GARY HILTON wrote:

Washington, Ks...F-84 I thought this a/c was an F-86...it has been a while since I've been thru this area, but will make it a point to get back that way...Anyway the aircraft in question is mounted on a pole at the airport.

Thanks for the note. If you do visit, let me know if it is an F-86. Here is my best guess for a location...
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/Locator.php ... 389#TheMap

Thanks again everyone.

Mike

Here is the latest revision of the “Need Help List”…

#1: Atwood, Atwood/Rawlins County Airport - Apparently there is an AH-1 displayed at a Legion Post at the airport. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?

#2: Cottonwood Falls, Swope Park - There may be a UH1 displayed at a 'Chase County Veterans' Memorial' in a 'Swope Park' in Cottonwood Falls. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?

#5: Girard - Apparently there is a UH-1 displayed at a VFW in Girard. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?

#6: Hiawatha - There may be a F-86 displayed in Hiawatha. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?

#9: Olathe - Apparently there is a "Brown Collection" near Olathe. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?

#10: Plainville - There may be a T-33 displayed in Plainville. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?

#12: Pratt – Is there a F-4 in the collection of the Pratt County Historical Museum? Can you confirm?

#13: Richmond - Apparently an H-34 is being restored somewhere in Richmond. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?

#16: Washington, Washington County Memorial Airport - There may be a F-84 displayed at a Legion post at the airport. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?

GARY HILTON · **Posted:** Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:08 am

Meridian, kansas.....UH-1 at the VFW to west of highway 4 ...Off of Palmer rd.

mrhenniger · **Posted:** Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:32 am

GARY HILTON wrote:

Meridian, kansas.....UH-1 at the VFW to west of highway 4 ...Off of Palmer rd.

Yep. I already have that one. It is at VFW Post 10815 in Meriden. Thanks anyway for the tip.

Mike

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