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Can anyone advise as to the markings on the first RAF A-36 test aircraft? Not the markings that are on the POF Mustang l (RAF)
Thanks for all the info so far.....
Gary

Is this the one, Joe?

http://www.skyunlimited.net/mustang_ima ... /a36_1.jpg

If so, I would like to cast vote #2 for it as well.

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There is at least one picture of it in the "Straight Down" book that I mentioned previsously, but alas...my scanner is broke

Looking through my saved files I ran across this one. I have several that are labeled as being an A-36, but upon closer inspection they are all of Mustang I's, except this one:

I have this DVD from Zeno's Warbird Video Drive-In, it is in color:

http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/P-51.html
* A Day with the A-36s Rare color combat footage of an A-36 (ground attack version of the P-51) squadron in action in Sicily. See a captured FW 190 & an Italian Macchi 202 too. Exclusive Drive-In version.

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Thats the one....

As an aside.

All razorbacks are "high back" Mustangs, as well as Thunderbolts.

The A-36 is a Mustang. Its also an Apache, and Invader and rare.

The survivors we have are precious in any configuration, but I doubt any went overseas. They are rare because there may have been fewer than 100 left by 1945.

Lets leave the esoteric arguements regarding what they are called, or were called prior to any offical documentation stating otherwise dating after 12:01 PM on Dec 1, 1945 on the IPMS board. This should be a place for airplane people.

Sorry Joe, after 55 years of being surrounded by these machines and the history of the
folks who built them and crewed them and worked on 'em myself, I've failed to become "airplane people"...darn!
I'll try to get it right the next time...
Visalia intimated he was an IPMS short timer...I was as well..I preferred flying machines
...but I still consider modellers as reference sources.

Gary, sorry no luck with my usual sources for color plates or more extensive photo examples of EW998. Best I can do, is a modelers rendition..maybe
this'll hold you over till 'real" airplane folks show up...
http://hyperscale.com/features/2002/mustangicf_1.htm

Visaliaviation, I replied to your response 12:20am monday morn, but the computer ate it!
Most of our difference was my sloppy punctuation and resultant misperception.
I didn't try again in order to see if anyone could help Gary with his request...didn't want the thread
clogged like back in Feb. I'll PM you. Any color stuff of EW998?

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Dear Joe,

I too am an old modeler. Frankly, I prefer the history keeping of modelers because they have a passion that the regular (book selling )aero-historian often lacks. For the most part, they don't want the BULLSH*T, they want the real deal. How do you like your history?

I guess airplane people never discuss anything as important as "what do we call this bird?" it's obviously not very important 60-70 years after the fact.

I guess the I'm not qualified as an airplane persson because I no longer own my Aeronca? For the esoteric, it was built in 1938 and is the most original restored KCA on the planet. Wait, my two Luscombe projects aren't flying so I must not be an airplane person, right now. OMG, I'm in airplane person limbo???

Oh wait, my earliest memories are of me waking up in the back seat of my old man's Cub. But I guess that only makes me a sleepy person.

Aircraft I've DIRECTLY had a hand in and now residing in Museums in Japan, the USAF Museum , Seatle museum of flight (ok this is a stretch as I only made detailed drawings of it before it was shipped, but I did ground crew the M-1 when it was being flown) and a non-flyer Gee Bee racer now sitting at Chino's POF. not too shabby for a non airplane guy!

Oh wait, I also make a living building/restoring airplanes, occasionally. Let's ee...oh yeah, a recent Supercub we covered won best in class trophy at Blakesburge last year. Someday , if I keep trying,do you think I'll ever be an airplane guy?

I guess real airplane people prefer to continue to believe myth and legend (not to mention outright lies) over what actually happened ?

In any endeavor there are talkers and then there are doers. By your statement we heard you talk, but can you walk the walk??

To the board,

It is not a life or death matter, wheather we call it a "razorback" or not. You can and will call it whatever YOU WANT. But repeating an error or unsubstantiated proposition does not, nor will it ever, make it historically correct. It only clouds the issue.

Great issue is regularly made on this board about honoring the men that flew the warbirds. I submit that perpetuating a possible non truth in connection with that honor comes off as dis-ingenuine if a reasonable effort is not maintained at seeing that the equipment used by those same men is not just as truthfully reported on.

HistoricFlight.com will take you to our old site, but photos of some of our aircraft can be seen there, including my old Aeronca. And IIRC the PT-22 shown there now lives at Duxford, but I didn't have anything to do with that one.

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Charles Neely

It's been 24 hrs since posting above. I'll admit that I wasa little tweeked when I wrote it. So with a little ccoling off period, perhaps I should correct a few claims?

Historicflight.com is not yet a valid link. Sorry, I was told that it was. A direct link to the old site is:

http://www.dawnpatrolaviation.com/

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Charles Neely

I was volunteer at Dawn Patrol when "we" built this one.

http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/Nie81/index.html

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Charles Neely

Never thought of it before, but I guess both the above and below too, qualify as "warbirds"

http://www.cessna195.org/gallery/LC126A.jpg

IIRC Ty Sunstrom was asked to put together a display 195 on floats and painted in this scheme. Ty located restored and delivered THIS aircraft, from a Florida swamp ( large enogh pieces to qualify for a restoration)..We shortend longer EDO floats which were older than the aircraft. Full interior. Non-flyer. Again a volunteer, but some of my parts were used.

Sorry I can't locate on-line photos of current of the USAF Museum display.


Upon further reflection, I think everyone here must be some sort of AIR PLANE PEOPLE. Why else would they be here?

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Charles Neely

Thanks for all the help with the A-36 info, the owner has chosen a 86th FBG scheme with the mission marks running under the stacks.....
thanks again
Gary