US Army Havoc - X project

Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:24 pm

Seeing the CH-3B question & pic got me to thinking. I've tried inquiries everywhere else to no avail, so maybe here. Back in the 1990s, the Army had a couple of adversary helo projects. One was Hokum - X, which was to use modified Bell AH-1s as then - Soviet Kamov Hokums, (I found a pic or 2 of a modded Cobra, and Havoc - X, which would use ex-USAF HH/CH-3 Jolly Green Giants modified to resemble Mil Mi-28 Havocs. I understand both projects' mods were cosmetic only, but I've never found any info on the Havoc - X. Anyone here know any details? Maybe someone at Ft. Rucker back then?

Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:09 pm

There were quite a few bonafide Soviet type helicopters at Fort Rucker. I've not been there for over 10 years but they had at least one Hind-D (Mi-24) and Mi-8 flying when I was there. I think I saw an old Mi-4 tucked away in a hangar.

The OpFor units in Nevada (National Training Center)are probably your likely places to look for Hokum- and/or Havoc type mockups.

The Italian A129 Mongoose would do a pretty decent job impersonating a Havoc -- at least a better job than an AH-1.

Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:33 pm

The army has at least two Hinds, one is operational and called Warlord. IIRC

Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:39 am

Back in the late '80s, they Army had a Hind - X program. ISTR sketches or photos of several helos from various manufacturers. Sikorsky had a modified S-76, Agusta proposed a version of their 109, & one of the better, IMHO, was Aerospatiale's modified Puma. A lot like the Hind A seen in the movie "Red Dawn", but with a Hind D nose. The best, tho, had to be Orlando Helicopters revamped Sikorsky S-55/H-19, converted to a fake Hind D! The end of the Cold War brought an end to these projects. I'd like to see where the Army helo aggressor programs would have gone.

Scott WRG Editor wrote:The army has at least two Hinds, one is operational and called Warlord. IIRC