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Interesting Fw-190 wreck in Minnesota…

Tue Aug 22, 2023 7:12 pm

Anyone know where? pop2
https://www.platinumfighters.com/invent ... fw-190-f8/

Re: Interesting Fw-190 wreck in Minnesota…

Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:42 pm

Warbirdnerd wrote:Anyone know where? pop2
https://www.platinumfighters.com/invent ... fw-190-f8/


Granite Falls isn't a very large community. Fagen Fighters is there.

Re: Interesting Fw-190 wreck in Minnesota…

Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:53 pm

Just discovered if you expand the location tab, it is in Granite Falls…

Re: Interesting Fw-190 wreck in Minnesota…

Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:55 pm

Warbirdnerd wrote:Anyone know where? pop2
https://www.platinumfighters.com/invent ... fw-190-f8/



I asked Evan once, and he said they have a FW-190 project. He said it's rough, but a good project. I'm guessing this may be it.

Re: Interesting Fw-190 wreck in Minnesota…

Tue Aug 22, 2023 10:21 pm

Awesome project! Will be interesting to see what happens with it.

This model looks like it represents the markings the unit would have worn during that time frame, albeit on a different airframe:

https://www.somanyaircraft.com/models/p ... 22/fw190f/

Re: Interesting Fw-190 wreck in Minnesota…

Tue Aug 22, 2023 10:38 pm

Only a few shops in the world have had experience with Fw190,s..

Re: Interesting Fw-190 wreck in Minnesota…

Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:27 pm

A vey interesting find indeed! I hope this Fw 190 gets restored to fly again! Fagen Fighters appear to have some more potential restoration projects available on their restorations website, such as a B-17 (43-38978), a P-39, and a P-40B/C Tomahawk (identities unspecified), as well as two active projects (P-51D Jane VI and a P-40E). Does anyone know what the identities of the P-39 and P-40B/C could be?

Re: Interesting Fw-190 wreck in Minnesota…

Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:25 pm

Info from elsewhere says Fw-190F-8 'Jabo' Wk. Nr. 581808, 1./SG-5 Q9+BT and flying from Alakurtti, Finland. Lost on 4-August-1944 and downed by Soviet Hurricanes. Pilot Alfred Kruppa parachuted out but was KIA. The wreckage was recovered in 2019 near the town of Priozersk, Russia.

Re: Interesting Fw-190 wreck in Minnesota…

Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:38 am

One has to wonder about restoration costs?
I'm sure someone has the drawings, jigs, fixtures and materials necessary to do a complete rebuild.
But they are probably not as easy to source as parts and airframe assemblies for more common types.

And if it does become a flyer, how much will be new?

Re: Interesting Fw-190 wreck in Minnesota…

Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:31 pm

JohnB wrote:One has to wonder about restoration costs?
I'm sure someone has the drawings, jigs, fixtures and materials necessary to do a complete rebuild.
But they are probably not as easy to source as parts and airframe assemblies for more common types.

All of that currently exists. There is an individual who is currently 3D CAD rendering every single part for the FW-190, Me-109, and others, including their engines. Soon, any of those aircraft will be able to be reproduced from scratch, with original engines. Technology is a wonderful thing, and it will allow many extinct or ultra-rare types to take flight in the future.

All that is needed is a boatload of money.

JohnB wrote:And if it does become a flyer, how much will be new?

Probably a lot, but this aircraft is not unique from that perspective. There are many warbirds flying today that have very, very few original parts. In my mind, that doesn't matter at all. I don't care what you call it - restoration, replica, reproduction, recreation, etc., I want to see rare Axis aircraft fly with original engines.

Re: Interesting Fw-190 wreck in Minnesota…

Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:04 pm

How much money will it take?
That's easy.
All of it :wink:

Re: Interesting Fw-190 wreck in Minnesota…

Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:00 pm

LegendaryWings wrote:A vey interesting find indeed! I hope this Fw 190 gets restored to fly again! Fagen Fighters appear to have some more potential restoration projects available on their restorations website, such as a B-17 (43-38978), a P-39, and a P-40B/C Tomahawk (identities unspecified), as well as two active projects (P-51D Jane VI and a P-40E). Does anyone know what the identities of the P-39 and P-40B/C could be?


The B-17 sounds like it's a small amount of wreckage and paperwork. I don't think it's a viable restoration candidate. The P-51D doesn't appear to have been worked on since arriving at the museum. The P-40 was put on hold to finish the Helldiver, which should fly shortly. They do have other projects waiting as well, the P-51B and TBM come to mind.

Re: Interesting Fw-190 wreck in Minnesota…

Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:54 am

Dave Goss of Goss Hawk Unlimited has extensive experience working and restoring on Fw-190s, in addition he has the jigs, drawings, etc. from Flug Werk

Re: Interesting Fw-190 wreck in Minnesota…

Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:55 am

How many big time collectors/owners are there now left with a bottomless pit of money and the desire to take this on, and still young enough that they might actually see it finished..........?

2 maybe 3......if that?
On that basis, it seems strong money in the circumstances.

Interesting though, that this was recovered as late as 2019....!
Given the current situation, was/is this going to be the last warbird recovery to ever come out of Russia?

Re: Interesting Fw-190 wreck in Minnesota…

Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:31 am

bomberfan wrote:The B-17 sounds like it's a small amount of wreckage and paperwork. I don't think it's a viable restoration candidate.


Might want to check out Ray Moore's Lucky 13 project....entire new scratch build airframe.
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