The "Tommy" trainer ...

[Mark Allen M]

The Thomas-Morse S-4 Scout was an American biplane advanced trainer, operated by the United States Army and the United States Navy. Dubbed the "Tommy" by pilots who flew it, the aircraft became the favorite single-seat training airplane produced in the U.S. during World War I. It had a long and varied career beginning with the S-4B, which first appeared in the summer of 1917.

Built by Thomas-Morse Aircraft in Ithaca, New York in 1917, it was a compact single-seat open-cockpit biplane of equal span and a 100 hp (75 kW) Gnome rotary engine.

The S-4 was designed by Englishman Benjamin Douglas Thomas (no relation to the company owners), formerly with the Sopwith Aviation Company, who also assisted with the design of the Curtiss JN-4 Jenny. The S-4 made its maiden flight in June 1917 in the hands of Paul D. Wilson. Twelve planes went to the Navy.

The S-4B, with a100 hp (75 kW) Gnome, a span of 27’ (8.22 m), and length of 20’3” (6.17 m) proved more successful, with three prototypes followed by an order of 97 for the Army and 10 for the Navy, while six more were completed with two main and one tail floats as the Navy S-5. The S-4B was used by practically every pursuit flying school in the U.S. during 1918.

It was supplemented in 1918 by the S-4C, at a cost of US$5400 each. Six prototypes were built,[4] and the 100 hp (75 kW) Gnome 9B-2 was replaced by the more reliable 80 hp (60 kW) Le Rhône 9C starting with the fifty-second production aircraft. 461 S-4Cs went to the Army and four S-4Cs with floats went to the Navy.

After World War I, many "Tommys" were sold as surplus to civilian flying schools, sportsman pilots, and ex-Army fliers. Many were still being used in the mid-1930s for World War I aviation movies, and several continue to exist in flying condition today.

A single aircraft was fitted with new tail and the more powerful 110 hp (82 kW) Le Rhone 9J rotary engine, becoming the S-4E aerobatic trainer. It was not adopted by the military, and after being fitted with a 135 hp (101 kW) Aeromarine V8 engine, it became Basil Rowe‘s racer Space-Eater.

About sixty surplus aircraft survived in civil service, most of which were fitted with the Curtiss OX-5.

Below a series of photos from the 1950's at an unknown Naval Air Station with a few F9F's.
Photos from an ebay sale.

[mike furline]

Photos may be at the Grumman Plant, that's all I'm seeing in the back ground.

I believe it's this one,
https://www.cradleofaviation.org/histor ... scout.html

http://www.airfields-freeman.com/NY/Air ... Nassau.htm


and a few flyers,
https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquir ... =&PageNo=1

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[Mark Allen M]

I've got a big batch of these staged type photos. Here's a few.


425 at Perrin Air Force Base, Texas next to a Convair F-102A 'Delta Dagger'. Perrin was the 'schoolhouse' for training interceptor pilots to fly the F-102.


A mix formation of a SPAD, F-86, P51D and F-100.


Grumman F-11 Tiger & F8F Bearcat.


Supermarine Spitfire PS853 with Hawker Hunter.


Bristol Brabazon & F2B.

[tom roberts]

https://cnycentral.com/news/local/tommy ... -in-ithaca

[RyanShort1]

We used to see a Scout at the airshows down in San Antonio...

[Lon Moer]

Grumman F-11 Tiger & F8F Bearcat.

Not a F8F Bearcat.
N700A is the G-58B "Gulf Hawk" Bearcat, now on display at the https://Palm Springs Air Museum

[Mark Allen M]

Strange!! looks like an F8F to me.
I get it though ....

[Courier Sportster]

The usually-not-too-nitpicky me thinks that might be a P-51H.

[airnutz]

We used to see a Scout at the airshows down in San Antonio...

The nearest Scout in that neighborhood would probably be one of Roger Freeman's birds from Kingsbury.

[RyanShort1]

The usually-not-too-nitpicky me thinks that might be a P-51H.

It is. No cranks on the inboard wings and the taller tail.