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Is it December 7th yet? ...

Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:45 am

This looks to be a P-40B from the 18th PS or PG. I'm not an expert here. Pearl harbor P-40?

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Re: Is it December 7th yet? ...

Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:23 pm

Here's what's been stated on another site,

Phil Rassmusen, 15PG, 46PS, in cockpit BUT the plane is BORROWED from the 18PG...
This is an UNPUBLISHED family photo leaked by a cousin.
Aloha from TEXAS,
David Aiken


FWIW I'm not the cousin ... just one of 5,000 to have found it recently.

Re: Is it December 7th yet? ...

Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:40 pm

Most of you have seen portions of this footage in old war movies and far too many documentaries, but this is the raw footage that shows how it really was shot. Take a look its well worth watching. And more stuff to come in the coming days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxniF4UB9M

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Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:49 am

WOW - Major find! A couple B-18 hulks, a burnt O-47; and rarest of the bunch, a Douglas BT-2B trainer - maybe from the base boneyard (note the lack of an engine). Baugher lists two as being at Hawaii on December 7th: 31-79 and 31-112.

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One other airframe could have been the one they burned, however - instrument trainer ZBT-2BI 31-87, which was written off May 20, 1941 at Haleiwa after a forced landing (engine failure). The "Z" prefix meant obsolete.

Guess who was its last pilot?

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Re: Is it December 7th yet? ...

Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:32 am

Good stuff Chris, thx.

Below is a very nice photo album (of which I cannot recall where I found it now)

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Re: Is it December 7th yet? ...

Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:35 am

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Calm before the storm: an OA-9 of the 20th Air Base Squadron taxiing at Iba Field, Luzon, P.I. in the fall of 1941. That's the 20th ABS emblem on the nose. Image courtesy the late Jeff Ethell's ww2color website via Gerald Asher.

Re: Is it December 7th yet? ...

Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:19 am

thanks Mark

Re: Is it December 7th yet? ...

Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:44 am

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USS Arizona, off the coast of Balboa Peninsula, headed for the last time to PH

Re: Is it December 7th yet? ...

Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:00 am

To this day, the Navy, considers the USS Arizona to be in commission, 1,177 of her 1,400 crew aboard from 48 States.

Cheers,

Tom Walsh.

Re: Is it December 7th yet? ...

Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:26 pm

TOM WALSH wrote:To this day, the Navy, considers the USS Arizona to be in commission


I always thought the same thing, but after watching this week's PBS special I looked it up, and according to Wikipedia (yeah, I know) she was officially decommissioned on 12/19/41 and stricken from the Naval Register on 12/01/42. She's cared for by the National Park Service but owned by the Navy, and although not in commission retains the right to fly the U.S. flag as if she were an active Naval vessel.

Are there any recent photos of the superstructure? I understand it was rather unceremoniously dumped on some vacant Navy property after salvage crews removed it. I've heard the Navy sometimes allows vets or special guests to visit it, and occasionally allows VIPs and museums to have bits. The MAPS Museum in Akron has a piece of the Arizona on display. I assume it came from the superstructure wreckage.

SN

Re: Is it December 7th yet? ...

Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:34 pm

Lars Larsen claims that Dec. 7 Arizona vets cremains can be put back on the Arizona, is this true?

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Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:38 pm

Stoney wrote:Lars Larsen claims that Dec. 7 Arizona vets cremains can be put back on the Arizona, is this true?


Short answer: Yes.

More info from the FAQ section of the National Park Service website for the USS Arizona Memorial:

Crewmembers who were assigned to the USS Arizona on December 7, 1941, have the right to have their cremated remains interred inside the barbette of gun turret four by National Park Service divers. If you were a crewmember before that infamous day, you have the right to have your ashes scattered over the ship. In both cases, the common thread is that these men were at one time in their navy careers assigned to the USS Arizona. This policy is strictly enforced by the USS Arizona Reunion and Survivor Association. In addition, any Pearl Harbor survivor can have their ashes scattered over the place in the harbor where their ship was located during the attack.

On April 12, 1982, the ashes of retired Navy Chief Petty Officer Stanley M. Teslow were interred, making him the first USS Arizona survivor to return to his ship. As of February 1, 2016, there have been 39 crew members interred into the hull of the the USS Arizona. That list consists of 37 Navy sailors and 2 Marines who have chosen to rejoin their fallen shipmates through a solemn ceremony of interment, complete with a two-bell ceremony from the Fleet Reserve Association; a rifle salute from the U.S. Navy or Marine Corps; and a benediction with the echo of Taps being played across the harbor. The services are conducted inside the memorial and consist of an invocation, funeral ceremony, and a flag presentation to the family. Each interment ceremony is hosted by both the National Park Service and the United States Navy.

Following the ceremony, the urn is carried from the memorial to the dock area and presented to divers, who swim the urn into the open barbette of gun turret number four and proceed to a large open “slot” that measures approximately 6" x 5'. The urn is placed into this slot and slides into the ship.
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