Lancaster (Willy J Fox Field) B-25C has new owner

[aerovin]

B-25 News is up for October:

http://www.aerovintage.com/b25news.htm

Included is news that the rare B-25C, 41-13251, stored at Lancaster, CA, has a new owner and it looks like it may fly again....

[JohnH]

Thanks Scott! Too bad about the A-20, at the moment forever destined to be stored. 24 years so far with the new owner stored .

[Zac Yates]

Oooooh, I hope it does fly again in Hughes'* configuration (and colour scheme). This is great news!

Coincidentally I'm working on a model of the A-20 so if someone wanted to get that flying again, I'd be grateful for the photos

*EDIT: I've recently finished rereading a few books about Hughes where the B-25C is mentioned. Gary Lewis posted about its history a few years back and he's explained it better and in more detail than I could.

Okay, this may only be read here by a few, and I just can’t stand it any more. Thirty plus-Decades ago, I read a lot about Howard Robard Hughes and the people that were his most trusted associates.
I also learned a little about this B-25C which many believe was owned and operated by the brilliant Howard Robard Hughes.

Howard Hughes never entered the plane, he never flew the plane.

The only time he actually may have even seen the plane was when he was taxing out in a Boeing jet he was “test flying” in the hopes of Boeing that he would buy a fleet of new Boeing jets back in the day..

Howard Hughes owned the B-25, since he owned the Hughes Tool Company and his money bought the Mitchell, which owned another B-25, which was NL75831 (subsequently N2825B) which was being phased out of service by the Hughes corporation.

N3968C was to be the VIP transport aircraft for Mr. Noah Dietrich who was a brilliant man in his own right, and actually saved Howard Hughes’ butt many times. Mr. Dietrich was the right hand man, the bag man, for Howard Hughes; in fact Mr. Dietrich was the Director-Vice President of the Hughes Tool Company, Director-Chairman of the Board of the Executive Committee of TWA, Chairman of the Board of RKO Pictures, and the Director of Hughes Aircraft. He was trusted by Hughes and carried out the written and telephonic requests of Hughes. Mr. Dietrich was a Company man, believed in and trusted Hughes, who believed in and trusted Noah Dietrich. Mr. Dietrich decided one day, that he needed a later model VIP transport. Without running the purchase of this B-25C by Howard Hughes, Mr. Dietrich bought the plane and had it delivered for refit to VIP configuration. Hughes subsequently saw a bill regarding the B-25Cs new interior, and was told that Mr. Dietrich had authorized the refurbishment of the plane. Hughes went ballistic and blew a couple of jugs because he had not “authorized” a project of which he had no control over. Hughes was a control freak (among other mental disorders). He order his chief mechanic to take the plane the strip where he had his other planes parked (which had to be moved regularly and turned into the wind), and grounded in Culver City, which is where it set until acquired by Antelope Valley Air Museum of Lancaster.

Hughes began to wrongfully distrust Dietrich, and eventually forced him from the company. Hughes was known to favor the Lockheed Loadstar. The Boston Havoc also owned by the Hughes Corporation (also acquired by the Antelope Valley Air Museum), was actually flown by Hughes, but very rarely. The B-25C N3968C was to be the VIP transport of Mr. Noah Dietrich, the Chief Executive Officer of the Hughes empire, but never pressed into service by the corporation.
I’m done now.

Also, thought I'd throw this in fyi
Ron Kistler from his book “I Caught Flies for Howard Hughes”, who was Howard Hughes's security guard/valet/confidante for a number of years. This book does not discuss any of Hughes's business dealings, only his strange lifestyle. There are dozens of hilarious incidents that the author relates. Hughes was already several years into his self-imposed isolation when his organization hired Kistler.

Kistler's first assignment was a harbinger of weirdness’s to come: he had to drive to an airport and watch over an airplane that hadn't moved in ten years. The guard he was to relieve wasn't there to brief him, and as it turned out usually didn't bother to show up anyway. The aircraft itself was corroding, the engines had long since lost their oil, the interior curtains had rotted, and the tires had rotted and had collapsed. The aircraft was simply non-airworthy.

Okay, now I'm done.

For those who saw The Aviator, Noah Dietrich (sans B-25) was portrayed by John C Reilly.

[Lon Moer]

Oooooh, I hope it does fly again in Hughes'* configuration (and colour scheme). This is great news!

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Yes! I too, hope it stays in the historical Hughes configuration and colors.

[SaxMan]

The oft publicized reason for Dietrich's departure from Hughes was that Hughes continually promised Dietrich that he would be compensated on the capital gains of the companies, but it never happened. When Hughes wanted to buy Convair 880s for TWA, he was initially rejected. He turned to Dietrich, who was about to go on an African Safari with his sons. Dietch said he would restructure the books of the Tool & Die company so that Hughes would have sufficient leverage to purchase the 880s, but if he did this deal, Hughes had to come through on the compensation based on Capital Gains. Hughes agreed. Dietrich got the deal to go through, but Hughes went back on his word. After working for Hughes for more than 30 years, Dietrich left. Hughes was furious.

Dietrich goes on to have a very storied career after Hughes, sitting on many corporate boards. All the while, he never uttered one negative word about Hughes, never had any regrets, and said in one interview that if Hughes called him at 3 in the morning, he would take the call and say "Ok, Howard, calm down". Many Hughes historians who saw "The Aviator" felt that it played down just how significant of a role Dietrich had in running Hughes' empire.

What's the story on the A-20?

[JohnTerrell]

The Hughes A-20 is owned by Kermit Weeks and is in desert storage with Aero Trader pending eventual restoration.

[Zac Yates]

I was about to ask that too, thanks JT.

SaxMan - I know I was disappointed about Noah's role in the movie. I still really enjoyed it, and I'm hoping Warren Beatty's long-in-development film isn't awful.

[Chris Brame]

Cropped down from a shot taken by Hughes engineer Otto Sauseng in 1965:



B-25C, BT-13 (what happened to that?) and A-20G.

[Zac Yates]

I did a Google search for "Hughes BT-13" - no luck on an ID or fate yet - but I found out that the BT-13 was designed by Richard Palmer, the same man who worked closely with Hughes and Glenn Odekirk on the H-1!

[Badman]

On the A-20 now owned by Kermit Weeks, is that the only A-20 that was owned by Hughes? I think during the development of the XF-11 a Hughes A-20 was modified to test fly the XF's vertical stab/rudder design - was that XF A-20 the same one as Kermit's? I've never seen a photo of the A-20 in that configuration - does anyone have such photos?

[sledge39]

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... a 2006 thread with photos ...

http://www.aafo.com/hangartalk/showthre ... hughs-B-25

[aerovin]

On the A-20 now owned by Kermit Weeks, is that the only A-20 that was owned by Hughes? I think during the development of the XF-11 a Hughes A-20 was modified to test fly the XF's vertical stab/rudder design - was that XF A-20 the same one as Kermit's? I've never seen a photo of the A-20 in that configuration - does anyone have such photos?

The second Hughes A-20 was A-20G 43-22217 (N63148) and according to the FAA registration file, it did have a fin and rudder assembly similar to that of the XF-11 installed in 1946 or 1947. I have never seen photos of it in that configuration, either. The airplane was sold by Hughes Aircraft in August 1949 and went through several civil owners. It was lost on January 2, 1955, while being flown by Dianna Cyrus Bixby over the Gulf of California when it evidently ran out of fuel and a fatal crash following.

[Badman]

On the A-20 now owned by Kermit Weeks, is that the only A-20 that was owned by Hughes? I think during the development of the XF-11 a Hughes A-20 was modified to test fly the XF's vertical stab/rudder design - was that XF A-20 the same one as Kermit's? I've never seen a photo of the A-20 in that configuration - does anyone have such photos?

The second Hughes A-20 was A-20G 43-22217 (N63148) and according to the FAA registration file, it did have a fin and rudder assembly similar to that of the XF-11 installed in 1946 or 1947. I have never seen photos of it in that configuration, either. The airplane was sold by Hughes Aircraft in August 1949 and went through several civil owners. It was lost on January 2, 1955, while being flown by Dianna Cyrus Bixby over the Gulf of California when it evidently ran out of fuel and a fatal crash following.

Thanx for the info - I'm sure there are photos of it somewhere with the XF-11 vertical, in someone's stash of stuff. Are there any photos of N63148 at all while owned by Hughes, Bixby, et al? Also, was N63148 the same A-20 used as a chase plane on Hughes' first XF-11 flight, or was that the one owned by Weeks?

[Zac Yates]

I'm sure there are photos of it somewhere with the XF-11 vertical, in someone's stash of stuff.

That is something I would like to see. It would make for a fun model to build and display!