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Re: Speaking of Cuba,

Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:09 pm

There was an Air Classics article (in the '80s I believe) by a former Cuban TBolt pilot who said that most of the F-47s (as he called them) were crashed in the '50s, including one he was flying. Might be some remote crash sites up in the Sierra Maestra? We had quite a few planes ditch off Cuba during the war as well.

Another AC blurb in "Warbird Report" in the '70s mentioned a derelict DC-4 and Britannia at José Martí Airport, along with the possible remains of a (get this) Lancaster off in the trees...

Re: Speaking of Cuba,

Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:03 pm

...don't know where this drawing comes fm but I sure like to see a pic of it. Photo via AEC.

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Re: Speaking of Cuba,

Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:52 am

Nice pics of a Cuban Sea Fury and Kingfisher at:

webcommunity.ilvolo.it • Cuba 2012

Re: Speaking of Cuba,

Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:52 am

The thing that needs to be remembered is Cuba is open to Canadians and Europeans. Most of the warbirds have been documented already and I don't see many being sold in the future. There are a number of collectors in Europe that would have snapped any that were for sale years ago.

Sean

Re: Speaking of Cuba,

Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:09 am

Martin:

Good day!

Tks for the info & data. Do you or any of your pocs have any pics of the B-26 Invaders long time abandoned at the Easter tip of Cuba in a place called Santiago de Cuba?? Have you seen any pics fm that area?? tks in advance.

Re: Speaking of Cuba,

Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:39 am

martin_sam_2000 wrote:The thing that needs to be remembered is Cuba is open to Canadians and Europeans. Most of the warbirds have been documented already and I don't see many being sold in the future. There are a number of collectors in Europe that would have snapped any that were for sale years ago.

Sean


Very good point. I wonder, though, if any aircraft were ever for sale in the first place? Doing business with or in Cuba can be quite bizarre compared to what most Canadians or Europeans are used to. The concept of "ownership" might be very different or non-existent under a communist system. Obtaining things such as salvage rights to any accessible wrecks may be impossible because there could simply be no provision for that in the current government.

Based on the observation that there hasn't been many, or any, vintage cars exported from Cuba to Canada or Europe (to the best of my knowledge), I would suggest the situation for aircraft is the same.

In the meantime, I'm going to go quietly look for that P-38...

Re: Speaking of Cuba,

Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:28 pm

PropsRule wrote:
martin_sam_2000 wrote:The thing that needs to be remembered is Cuba is open to Canadians and Europeans. Most of the warbirds have been documented already and I don't see many being sold in the future. There are a number of collectors in Europe that would have snapped any that were for sale years ago.

Sean


Very good point. I wonder, though, if any aircraft were ever for sale in the first place? Doing business with or in Cuba can be quite bizarre compared to what most Canadians or Europeans are used to. The concept of "ownership" might be very different or non-existent under a communist system. Obtaining things such as salvage rights to any accessible wrecks may be impossible because there could simply be no provision for that in the current government.

Based on the observation that there hasn't been many, or any, vintage cars exported from Cuba to Canada or Europe (to the best of my knowledge), I would suggest the situation for aircraft is the same.

In the meantime, I'm going to go quietly look for that P-38...


That is a good point. All aircraft wrecks on the island are more or less owned by the government. Without a major change in leadership, things are going to stay right were they are.

Sean
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