german jet engine blueprints?

[justin22885]

i was wondering if anyone knew where i could get a set of blueprints or drawings for the german jet engines of WWII?.. jet engines such as the jumo 004, BMW 003, and heinkel HeS 011?..

id like to find some schematics i can convert into a 3D format and make available online for free.. so does anyone know where i could get any such information?..

id also be interested in blueprints for some of the more common piston engines the germans used in WWII

[Rossco]

Try here...
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/engines/

[mike furline]

NASM Archives - https://airandspace.si.edu/research/resources/archives/

[justin22885]

ive contacted NASM already.. waiting for a response though.. if i can find the blueprints, convert them to a usable 3D format, i may even feel ambitious enough to construct one... would be a cool thing to have.. a german WWII turbojet engine

i know the jumo 004 was the first, but of the three, which one do you believe was the best, the most polished turbojet design?.. most of the concept designs the germans made at the end of the war targetted the BMW and more often the heinkel turbojet engines

[Rossco]

Get it 3D printed

[Cherrybomber13]

Well the Jumo 004 Engine was developed by Anslem Franz,, who after the war came to Startford Connecticut and built the Lycoming T-53 / T-55 series engines based on the 004. Honeywell still makes them. This all happened under the roof of our museum as well.

[Rossco]

Another place you can try..
http://www.luftfahrt-archiv-hafner.de/

[justin22885]

i made a post on this forum earlier that i had plans to replicate a WWII plane. at that point i was discussing a BF-109 build using a mercedes V12 car engine since without the guns and armor, you only need about a fraction of the horsepower to equal the performance.. other designs i considered then was the JU-87, HE-112 which was a competitor to the BF-109, and a bit simpler in design, and i also considered the HE-51 biplane

but lately ive been thinking i may go for one of the later WWII jet projects and the most interesting to me are the focke-wulf TA-183 and the messerschmitt P.1110 projects.. both use a turbojet engine of around 3,000lbs of thrust.. which can actually be achieved quite easily by a much more common J-85 turbojet engine which ive priced out and is within my price range for such a project.. but first, id like to study the plans and blueprints of one of the WWII engines i mentioned to see if id be willing to take on that project first, of reconstructing either the BMW 003, jumo 004, or HeS 011 turbojet engines

now im not even sure if complete blueprints of any of those jet fighter designs even survived, if functioning prototypes were even built, but enough information exists to get the shape of the airframe, and from that i could use more modern aircraft design details to complete the interior structure, add the retractable landing gear, etc.. and a ton of work will have to be done to determine if some of the 6 or 7 designs im looking at are even air worthy, structurally sound, etc.. but its a project im willing to take on in the mid future

first things first though.. seeing if i can actually get a WWII turbojet engine

in your opinions between the jumo 004, BMW 003, and HeS011 engines.. which one do you believe to be the overall best engine, the one worth focusing the most amount of time and effort into studying?

[mike furline]

While your goals are admirable, why re-invent the wheel? Other than the "wow" factor, a fuctioning WWII turbojet will not perform nearly as well as a modern day engine. Why invest a ton of time and money to re-create an inferior product?

There are a half dozen or so FW-190's flying today because they used existing radial engines instead of spending the time and money re-creating BMW-801D's.

Good luck with your project.

[justin22885]

if i were to use a pre-existing engine it would most likely be a J-85 which produces the same amount of power as these other WWII engines.. though its only what?.. a decade younger than the WWII engines?.. it seems the J-85 is much more proven and tested though and been used in a large variety of applications and easy to find parts for.. so after ive converted the WWII jet engines into a 3D format where i can more easily and completely study and test them, if i determine that i should go another route, then i'll likely go with a J-85, but id still like to find the jet engine blueprints and plans atleast to catalog them in my own personal archives of such things

if i were to build a radial engine for something like an FW-190 id honestly probably just design my own radial engine using a lot of more updated features of modern piston engine design.. since id only need roughly half the HP to equal performance of an original with all guns and armor removed, id only need a single-row 7 piston radial, and likely use modern technologies like electronic fuel injection, likely powered by one shielded ECM with a secondary backup ECM for redundancy

but my absolute bare minimum plan as stated before is an HE-51, relatively small, light weight, simple, only 750hp powered by a bmw V-12, fixed landing gear, simple wings.. but yeah, my main goal is one of these jet projects and im actually leaning more towards the FW TA-183

http://www.luft46.com/mrart/mr183-3.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zmb2g6rGMyg/T ... BP1110.jpg

[robkamm]

what the budget you plan on spending? do you have access to a foundry, tooling etc? not cheap.

[justin22885]

i dont personally own all the tools or equipment required, but know people who do and want to help work on this project.. so its not going to be just me either.. jet aircraft is the ultimate goal, but im not opposed to a prop aircraft either.. i plan to start working on a design for my own radial engine soon too

[robkamm]

have you seen the you tube video of a radial make out of vw parts running. it was posted a few weeks ago. pretty neat. best wished on your projects

[justin22885]

have you seen the you tube video of a radial make out of vw parts running. it was posted a few weeks ago. pretty neat. best wished on your projects

no, i didnt see that video, but thats actually the idea i had was to make a radial engine using the cylinders from an air-cooled volkswagen engine.. this would allow the use of volkswagen performance parts, aftermarket... could find parts anywhere... would need to design a new block, crank mechanism.. but such an engine should easily drive a full scale FW-190 replica, and would physically be a much smaller, lighter engine.. have to be careful with that though and making sure that when using a smaller engine that the aircraft itself remains adequately balanced

[justin22885]

well, i believe i found the youtube video of the volkswagen radial engine... the one that uses all VW engine parts and i have to say that is pretty awesome, and exactly what i had envisioned doing...

ive actually thought about using VW cylinders to make a v-twin motorcycle too.. having a motorcycle, a car, and possibly an airplane that used all the same engine parts.. i could have a couple extra cylinders, some pistons, valves, etc.. and use these parts to fix either one of them.. and i do believe a radial engine to be easier to work on than both a V engine and a turbojet engine

but.. im not willing to abandon the turbojet idea yet though.. i still plan to build a functioning jet engine myself.. im interested in these sort of things, my biggest hobby is designing and building things which is why i went to college for aerospace engineering, though admittedly i didnt complete it

that said i do believe i found some blueprints and schematics for the J-85 turbojet engine though my search for WWII jet engines continue