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Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:41 am
We have 7 in the world in flying condition right now.
West Pac is restoring 2 to flying condition that makes 9
Texas Flying Legends has a P-38L being restored up in Minnesota sort of off the radar. Does any body know if that aircraft might be the P-38 which Bruce Pruett owned then was bought by Jack Erickson, and which tragically Jeff Ethell lost his life in that P-38 back in June 1997. Makes 10
The Evergreen Aviation Museum in Oregon this P-38 I got to see in person in June 2013 in my humble opinion should not take a lot of work to return to airworthy status. Makes 11
Lastly a P-38J Serial Number 42-66534 I think was found in New Guinea then shipped to U.S. listed by Courtesy Aircraft some time ago seems to have vanished. If being restored somewhere would make the 12th one. .
Any body else no of others that might be in the pipeline to be restored to flying status? I heard that Jerry Yagen has enough parts of several P-38's to possibly make One Complete Flyer.
Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:08 pm
Weeks has a long term potential also
Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:59 pm
Whever happened to the P-38 components Tom Reilly had at his place in Florida?
Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:02 pm
12 airworthy P-38's one day would be beyond description. Just those 12 Lightnings would make a real nice airshow even if there were no other planes present.
Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:04 pm
Ed Likes wrote:Texas Flying Legends has a P-38L being restored up in Minnesota sort of off the radar. Does any body know if that aircraft might be the P-38 which Bruce Pruett owned then was bought by Jack Erickson, and which tragically Jeff Ethell lost his life in that P-38 back in June 1997.
I recall it is. It may also contain components of others. It's a long term project sitting in queue with many other projects slated for restoration ahead of it.
Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:55 pm
Ed - did you receive the last newsletter from the National Museum of World War II Aviation museum (November 2013)?
If not - here an extract - there is some interesting infos.
"P-38 Restoration in High Gear"
"The Lockheed P-38 Lightning is a legendary World War II fighter, and two -- both with distinguished combat records -- are being brought back to flying condition by Westpac Restorations at the Colorado Springs Airport. 'White 33' will be the first to fly, in a couple of years. It was flown by Kenneth Sparks, who shot down 11 Japanese aircraft as a member of the 39th Fighter Squadron in New Guinea. 'Jandina III' is next in line to fly. It was piloted by Captain Jay T. Robbins of the 80th Fighter Squadron, 8th Fighter Group, also in New Guinea.
Both planes were written off as wrecks in 1944 and buried at Finschhafen, New Guinea. But they were recovered in 1999 and shipped to Westpac in 2003-2004. Parts of three other P-38s also are at Westpac.
The P-38 richly deserves its record as an outstanding American fighter plane. Some 10,000 were built but only a few remain. P-38s were flown in Europe, but were most successful in the Pacific and China-Burma-India theaters, where they downed some 1,800 Japanese aircraft, making aces of more than 100 pilots.
P-38 'White 33,' is being restored for a customer on the west coast. The airplane, a P-38J-5, serial number 42-12652, was among the first Lightnings to be delivered to the Southwest Pacific. 'White 33' was on the first P-38 mission against the Japanese. Most of 'White 33,' which may have been flown by other aces, was recovered. 'We have the wings, it was on its wheels when it was shoved into the pit,' says Westpac's Wojciak. 'It had the tail, but it got broken off and was tucked underneath it, so we have the actual booms, and you can see on the tail it probably had at least four different buzz numbers,' which means it was repaired and returned to service a number of times. It ended up with the 433rd Fighter Squadron, a unit of the Fifth Air Force's 475th Fighter Group. The 39th was a unit of the Fifth's 35th Fighter Group. One of the last pilots to fly 'White 33' apparently was Jerry Gettler of the 475th, whose name was on it when it was recovered.
'Jandina III,' a P-38J-15, serial number 42-103988, was being flown by Capt. Jay T. Robbins on April 12, 1944, when he got his 18th kill and 19th claim. On May 7, 1944, 'Jandina III' lost nose wheel hydraulics returning from a mission. Robbins was instructed to land at an emergency airfield near Saidor, after which the plane was abandoned. It was later moved by barge down the coast to Finschhafen, where, after removal of the tail booms, landing gear, engines and outer wings, the remainder was buried. 'Jandina III' was pulled from the same pit as 'White 33'. Alongside those two was a P-47 Thunderbolt, a D-2-RE model, serial number 42-8074. It's also at Westpac and will fly eventually.'
As replacement parts are made for 'White 33' and 'Jandina III,' Westpac is making duplicates for the other three P-38s slated for restoration, Wojciak says. 'As we build parts for the first one, we're making enough for all five.' "
Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:29 pm
P-38 'White 33,' is being restored for a customer on the west coast. The airplane, a P-38J-5, serial number 42-12652, was among the first Lightnings to be delivered to the Southwest Pacific. 'White 33' was on the first P-38 mission against the Japanese.
Cannot be true as the first Lightnings in SWPA were F-4 recce birds followed by P-38F/G/H models all flown in combat [several aces on these too]. The J's were not delivered until much later.
But I guess we should never let the facts stand in the way of a good story!
Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:41 pm
Questions?
1. What was the serial number of the P-38 Jim Benham built up in San Antonio or was it San Marcos? Built up from remains of Scatterbrain kid.
2. What was the serial number of the P-38 built up? Did it crash in England?
Thanks
Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:03 pm
The mention of "White 33" as being a P-38J is a misprint - it is of course a P-38F. I believe it has been mentioned that it was likely flown by several pilots who would become P-38 aces.
Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:13 pm
I thought I'd read that Precision Aerospace in Australia was collecting parts for several rebuilds, but this was a few years ago at least, and things perhaps have changed in the intervening time span.
greg v.
Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:13 pm
What's going on with the Breckenridge airshow wrecked CAf 38 ?
Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:53 pm
JohnH wrote:What's going on with the Breckenridge airshow wrecked CAf 38 ?
It was acquired by the Flying Heritage Collection and is undergoing restoration at Westpac in Colorado.
Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:08 am
Great thanks. Ok then , one of the two mentioned above at West PAC.
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