B-17 "Miss Glamour Pants" 351st Bomb Group

[mustangdriver]

I am trying to work on a surprise for a vet and am looking for a photo of this aircraft. Does anyone know of any. She flew in the 351st BG 508thBS

[mike furline]

From the 351st Bomb Group webpage.

B-17G 44-8410 YB*A Miss Glamor Pants

http://www.351st.org/

You may run across it in one of these Youtube videos.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... 5URsmVqevU

Last edited by mike furline on Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:54 am, edited 1 time in total.

[Pathfinder]

Hey Chris!

Just FYI.....the 351st website done by their historian lists 44-8410 (YB*A) as MISS GLAMOR PANTS...note the American spelling of Glamour....spelling counts!..

[Snake45]

I am trying to work on a surprise for a vet and am looking for a photo of this aircraft. Does anyone know of any. She flew in the 351st BG 508thBS

Are you still interested in this? I just bought, at a flea market, an old limited edition history of 351 BG in WWII. Lots of aircrew photos. What's your vet's name? I'll see if he's in here.

[mustangdriver]

Oh wow! Yes! He was a Bombardier named Bob or Robert Schneider.

[Snake45]

Oh wow! Yes! He was a Bombardier named Bob or Robert Schneider.

I did a quick look through the crew pics this morning and didn't see that name. Some pics have full crews, others just the officers. About half the pics have full crew names, the rest just name the pilot/AC. I counted at least 44 crew pics. So he might still be in there. What was your vet's pilot's name?

If he's not in here, I'll bet he has friends who are.

The book was published in 1980 and says inside the front cover that it's number 81 of a limited printing of 700.

[sarahroot]

this reply is for snake, hello. im trying to trace back the Nehr side of my family. i believe ive found my great grandfather. this is what ive found so far. S/Sgt. Elwood Nehr 508th Sqdrn. Serial Number 33008205. ive found a long flight list. it seems hes mainly been a lwg when he was ranked sgt. then then promoted he did more ng then lwg. i saw you came acrossed a book and was hoping you still had the book and could tell me if you find any photos of him? it would mean alot to me. if you need the list or anything please let me know. hes the farthest back ive been able to trace.

[Snake45]

this reply is for snake, hello. im trying to trace back the Nehr side of my family. i believe ive found my great grandfather. this is what ive found so far. S/Sgt. Elwood Nehr 508th Sqdrn. Serial Number 33008205. ive found a long flight list. it seems hes mainly been a lwg when he was ranked sgt. then then promoted he did more ng then lwg. i saw you came acrossed a book and was hoping you still had the book and could tell me if you find any photos of him? it would mean alot to me. if you need the list or anything please let me know. hes the farthest back ive been able to trace.

I took a quick look through the crew photos this morning and didn't see that name. But see my post above--some crew photos only have the pilot's or officers' names. If you have a pilot name, I might have better luck.

I found there's also a list of airplane names in book and many of them have the pilot listed, so if you have an airplane name I might have some luck that way.

Will try to scan the text tonight for the name you're interested in. Do you have dates he was with the 508th? That might also be helpful.

[sarahroot]

here you go hun this is all ive found so far. ive been putting it together as i find stuff. as far as plane names not all of them i could find names for but the ones i did i listed as well. i also edited it and found the pilots names and added them. idk if that helps too or not.
Elwood Nehr 508th Sqdrn. 351st BG. Serial Number 33008205 B-17 Flying Fortresses
(Thu)7-6-44 Sgt. Mission 163, Aircraft 42-97258 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot-Silver Meteor, Left Waist Gunner, City-France, Target-V-2 Installation
(Tue)7-18-44 Sgt. Mission 172, Aircraft 43-37512 Robert G. Hurley Pilot-Trade Winds, Left Waist Gunner, City-Peenemunde, Target-Electolytic Hydrogen Plant
(Fri)7-21-44 Sgt. Mission 175, Aircraft 43-37727 William Longa Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Schweinfurt, Germany, Target-V.K.F. Ball Bearing Plant
(Fri)8-4-44 Sgt. Mission 183, Aircraft 42-102971 Ralph T Ballard Jr. Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Anklam, Germany, Target-Airfield
(Sat)8-5-44 Sgt. Mission 184, Aircraft 42-102971 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Nienburg, Germany, Target-Underground Oil Storage Tanks
(Mon)8-14-44 Sgt. Mission 190, Aircraft 43-37978 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Haguenau, France, Target-Airfield-Second Target
(Wed)8-16-44 Sgt. Mission 191, Aircraft 43-37850 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot-Umbriago, Left Waist Gunner, City-Schkeuckitz, Germany, Target-Aircraft Factory & Airfield
(Fri)8-18-44 Sgt. Mission 192, Aircraft 42-31879 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot-The Shark, Left Waist Gunner, City-Namur, Belgium, Target-Bridge
(Wed)8-30-44 Sgt. Mission 198, Aircraft 42-31879 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot-The Shark, Left Waist Gunner, City-Kiel, Germany, Target-Submarine Building Yards
(Sat)9-9-44 Sgt. Mission 201, Aircraft 43-31879 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Ludwigshafen, Germany, Target-Synthetic Oil Plant
(Sun)9-10-44 Sgt. Mission 202, Aircraft 42-31879 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot-The Shark, Left Waist Gunner, City-Gagenau, Germany, Target-Daimler-Benz Factory
(Mon)9-11-44 Sgt. Mission 203, Aircraft 43-37900 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Lutzkendorf, Germany, Target-Refinery
(Sun)9-17-44 Sgt. Mission 205, Aircraft 43-38405 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Nijmegen, Netherlands, Target-Enemy Positions
(Tue)9-19-44 Sgt. Mission 206, Aircraft 43-38405 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Soest, Germany, Target-Railroad Marshalling Yards
(Fri)9-22-44 Sgt. Mission 207, Aircraft 43-38405 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Kassel, Germany, Target-Airfield
(Tue)10-3-44 Sgt. Mission 213, Aircraft 43-37727 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Nuremburg, Germany, Target-Railroad Marshalling Yards
(Sun)10-15-44 Sgt. Mission 218, Aircraft 43-38405 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Cologne, Germany, Target-Railroad Marshalling Yards
(Tue)10-17-44 Sgt. Mission 219, Aircraft 42-97349 Norman A. Trapp Pilot-Silver Dollar, Left Waist Gunner, City-Cologne, Germany, Target-Railroad Marshalling Yards
(Thu)10-19-44 Sgt. Mission 221, Aircraft 42-97349 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot-Silver Dollar, Left Waist Gunner, City-Mannhein, Germany, Target-Heinrich Lonz Factory
(Wed)10-25-44 Sgt. Mission 223, Aircraft 43-38666 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Hamburg, Germany, Target-Rhenania-Ossag Oil Refinery
(Sat)10-28-44 Sgt. Mission 225, Aircraft 42-97349 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot-Silver Dollar, Left Waist Gunner, City-Munster, Germany, Target-Railroad Marshalling Yards
(Sat)11-4-44 Sgt. Mission 227, Aircraft 43-38410 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Harburg, Germany, Target-Oil Refinery
(Mon)11-6-44 S/Sgt. Mission 229, Aircraft 42-37956 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Hamburg, Germany, Target-Railroad Marshalling Yards
(Wed)11-29-44 S/Sgt. Mission 236, Aircraft 43-39799 Ralph T. Ballard Jr. Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Misburg, Germany, Target-Oil Refinery
(Mon)12-4-44 S/Sgt. Mission 238, Aircraft 42-31711 Joseph H. Galloway Pilot, Nose Gunner, City-Kassel, Germany, Target-Railroad Marshalling Yards
(Fri)12-15-44 S/Sgt. Mission 243, Aircraft 43-38277 William B Zimmerman Pilot, Left Waist Gunner, City-Kassel, Germany, Target-Locomotive Workshops
(Mon)12-18-44 S/Sgt. Mission 244, Aircraft 44-8410 Henry F Kale Pilot-Miss Glamor Pants, Nose Gunner, City-Cologne, Germany, Target-Clouds-Bombs Not Dropped
(Tue)12-19-44 S/Sgt. Mission 245, Aircraft 43-37956 Wilfred A Wiese Pilot, Nose Gunner, City-Kall, Germany, Target-Enemy Positions
(Sun)12-24-44 S/Sgt. Mission 246, Aircraft 43-37956 Wilfred A Wiese Pilot, Nose Gunner, City-Biblis, Germany, Target-Airfield
(Thu)12-28-44 S/Sgt. Mission 248, Aircraft 42-31711 Thomas B Lenze Pilot, Nose Gunner, City-Rheinbach, Germany, Target-Railroad Marshalling Yards
(Fri)1-5-45 S/Sgt. Mission 254, Aircraft 43-38753 John W Crutcher Pilot-Lucky Jewell, Nose Gunner, City-Koblenz, Germany, Target-Railroad Yards-Second Target
(Sun)1-7-45 S/Sgt. Mission 256, Aircraft 43-38799 Robert S. Parnell Pilot-Heaven Can Wait, Nose Gunner, City-Bitburg, Germany, Target-Communications Centre
(Wed)1-10-45 S/Sgt. Mission 257, Aircraft 43-37956 Robert S. Parnell Pilot, Nose Gunner, City-Euskirchen, Germany, Target-Air Field
(Mon)1-29-45 S/Sgt. Mission 264, Aircraft 44-38954 Robert W. Buttel Pilot, Nose Gunner, City-Siegen, Germany, Target-Railroad Marshalling Yards
(Thu)2-1-45 S/Sgt. Mission 265, Aircraft 43-37954 Robert W. Buttel Pilot, Nose Gunner, City-Ludwigshafen, Germany, Target-Railroad Marshalling Yards
(Sat)2-3-45 S/Sgt. Mission 266, Aircraft 43-38954 Robert W. Buttel Pilot, Nose Gunner, City-Berlin, Germany, Target-Transportation Area Near Center of City
(Wed)2-7-45 S/Sgt. Mission 268, Aircraft 43-38954 Robert W. Buttel Pilot, Nose Gunner, City-Lutzkendorf, Germany, Target-Recalled Before Leaving England
(Fri)2-9-45 S/Sgt. Mission 269, Aircraft 43-38954 Robert W. Buttel Pilot, Nose Gunner, City-Lutzkendorf, Germany, Target-Synthetic Oil Plant

Last edited by sarahroot on Wed May 13, 2015 3:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[Snake45]

Great info! I'll take a detailed look at the book tonight and see if I can find anything around any of those names and dates.

[sarahroot]

thank you i keep trying to find stuff i believe he was born 1910. so i figure he would have been 34 for the info i have which seems kinda old for them to enlist for back then but i dont know i was born in 84. lol. i have my mothers side of the family traced back and it was alot easier then my fathers side has been.

[mustangdriver]

Thanks so much, I can't wait to see what we can find out.

[sarahroot]

Mustangdriver i believe my Great Grand father may have been on miss glamor pants with your friend. here is the info i have. this is the date and ranking for Elwood Nehr possibly my great grandfather. if you know any details about your friend maybe we can figure out if they were together. it would be so nice to know. (Mon)12-18-44 S/Sgt. Mission 244, Aircraft 44-8410 Miss Glamor Pants, Nose Gunner, City-Cologne, Germany, Target-Clouds-Bombs Not Dropped

[sarahroot]

Here you go mustang this is what i found for you. i dont know if you have all of this or if this is the person your looking for but i hope this helps.
Robert F Schneider SN: O-394195
Mission Date Duty Rank AC # City Target
288 8 Mar 1945 (Thu) B 1st Lt 44-8410 Essen, Germany Railroad Yards - Secondary Target
289 9 Mar 1945 (Fri) B 1st Lt 44-8410 Kassel, Germany Locomotive Workshops
290 10 Mar 1945 (Sat) B 1st Lt 44-8410 Hagen, Germany Railroad Marshalling Yards
291 11 Mar 1945 (Sun) B 1st Lt 44-8410 Bremen, Germany Shipyards
293 14 Mar 1945 (Wed) B 1st Lt 44-6108 Lohne, Germany Railway Centre
294 15 Mar 1945 (Thu) B 1st Lt 44-8410 Oranienburg, Germany Railroad Marshalling Yards
295 17 Mar 1945 (Sat) B 1st Lt 44-8410 Jena, Germany Zeiss Optical Inst. Plant - Secondary
296 18 Mar 1945 (Sun) B 1st Lt 44-8410 Berlin, Germany Railroad Station
297 19 Mar 1945 (Mon) B 1st Lt 44-8410 Plauen, Germany Army Vehicle Factory
301 24 Mar 1945 (Sat) B 1st Lt 44-8617 Vechta, Germany Airfield
310 7 Apr 1945 (Sat) B 1st Lt 42-97701 Luneburg, Germany Railroad Marshalling Yards
312 9 Apr 1945 (Mon) B 1st Lt 44-8842 Furstenfeldbruck, Germany Airfield
314 11 Apr 1945 (Wed) B 1st Lt 44-8358 Freiham, Germany Underground Oil Storage Depot
317 16 Apr 1945 (Mon) B 1st Lt 44-8846 Regensburg, Germany Railroad Marshalling Yards
319 18 Apr 1945 (Wed) B 1st Lt 44-8846 Traunstein, Germany Railroad Marshalling Yards

[mustangdriver]

This is fantastic. I will see if he recalls flying with him!