Un identified B-25 empenageeeee can you hep me ID it?

[gary1954]

Greetings, I present a partcial B-25 for identification The empenage was all that I saw, hope someone
Can make out the numbers and provide some info on here.




Thanks in Advance.

[Ken]

Any chance it's Kermit's "Apache Princess"?

[Steve Nelson]

Concur. The Registry lists Apache Princess as once being registered N9857C. "857C" is barely legible on the fuselage.

SN

[Coert Munk]

Gary,
Why not asked to Tony or Carl @ Aero Trader? They''ll know.

[Holedigger]

Last I saw Apache Princess, she looked to be in great shape and flyable condition. Is this an old pic? Shot where and when? This is listed in "the regestry" Is that where it was shot?

Rear fuselage and parts of N9857C stored in Aero Trader's yard

[The Inspector]

And no one picked up on the fact that the pieces shown in the photo are the aft fuselage and a wheel/tire and some smaller cowl pieces, not the empenage. the empenage would be the horizontal stabilizer, elevators, vertical fin(s), rudders, and/or tabs.

[Holedigger]

Well, I did post "Rear fuselage and parts", just didn't see any use in wasting time and keystrokes squabbling over terminology!

Question arises, just what rear fuselage does Apache Princess have on her then and why?

[rwdfresno]

Well, I did post "Rear fuselage and parts", just didn't see any use in wasting time and keystrokes squabbling over terminology!

Question arises, just what rear fuselage does Apache Princess have on her then and why?

"Apache Princess" has the rear fuselage section of 44-30090.

Ryan

[gary1954]

Gary,
Why not asked to Tony or Carl @ Aero Trader? They''ll know.

Well, That is a good question, and one I have asked myself a couple of times over. First, if someone will PM me his email address, I'll move this monkey to him to see if he can answer the question. I have enlarged the photo on my PC and the faded number appears to be one of three. These are:
6852C
8852C
9852C
my photoshop program went Tango Uniform so I can't provide you guys with a cropped shot of the Civil. It is a pretty good resolution photo if anyone wants to do that to verify my possibilities in numbers, which I would appreicate it if you did maybe my question could be resolved.
I regret that I didn't ask him when I was out there back in the 80's, but him running a business, I just don't like to interrupt people in their work. I would also like to have the serial number of the B-26 Marauder he has stashed there, which is this one I shot in May 1988.

[Holedigger]

Is that a Ventura nose standing next to the B-26? That looks like a fun playground! That or a major wasp/yellow-jacket nesting site!

[Holedigger]

Is that B-26?

N4297J: Martin B-26 Marauder, last flying example of infamous WWII medium bomber, restored to airworthy condition for Kermit Weeks. Now located at Fantasy of Flight in Polk City, FL.

from http://www.aerotrader.net/prj.html

[retroaviation]

Gary, PM sent.

[rwdfresno]

Gary,
Why not asked to Tony or Carl @ Aero Trader? They''ll know.

Well, That is a good question, and one I have asked myself a couple of times over. First, if someone will PM me his email address, I'll move this monkey to him to see if he can answer the question. I have enlarged the photo on my PC and the faded number appears to be one of three. These are:
6852C
8852C
9852C
my photoshop program went Tango Uniform so I can't provide you guys with a cropped shot of the Civil. It is a pretty good resolution photo if anyone wants to do that to verify my possibilities in numbers, which I would appreicate it if you did maybe my question could be resolved.
I regret that I didn't ask him when I was out there back in the 80's, but him running a business, I just don't like to interrupt people in their work. I would also like to have the serial number of the B-26 Marauder he has stashed there, which is this one I shot in May 1988.

Gary,

None of those are valid registration numbers for B-25s. Kermit's B-25J 43-28059 was previously registered as N9857C before being moved to Canadian registry. The aircraft sat wingless and tailess for many years during the 1980s inside of Aero Trader's hanger during various stages of restoration. The tail section I am fairly certain is off of that aircraft. During hte restoration it was determined to use the rear fuselage of 44-30090. AS you can see below there is a link to a picture of 43-28059 during it's life under Canadian registry. You can see in this picture the faded numbers N9857C from the paint being removed for the Candian registration numbers. The picture very much resembles the faded numbers on the tail section in the picture.

Ryan
http://napoleon130.tripod.com/sitebuild ... hell54.jpg

[bdk]

[I would also like to have the serial number of the B-26 Marauder he has stashed there, which is this one I shot in May 1988.

This is Tallichet's yard on the south side of the main taxiway at Chino, near where Aero Trader is located. Note the P-39 fuselages all lined up as well as the TBM. By '88, the Marauder that Kermit Weeks owns now was already on the gear and substantially complete. In fact, it was substantially complete over at the old WW2 era dome hangar Tallichet was in for many years on the north side of the taxiway near Aero Sport.

[Holedigger]

BDK, thanks for that, those P-39 cores were driving me nuts, looked familiar but.......just hadn't placed it yet!