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T-6 ground loop @ Merrit Island, FL

Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:14 pm

Saw it on the accident run this morning (no injuries).

Bela P. Havasreti

http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/accident_incident/preliminary_data/events01/media/06_7861B.txt

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?verified=1&NNumbertxt=7861B

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6429353&nseq=0

Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:28 pm

Is that the SNJ the one midwest texans restored?

Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:38 pm

Yes, hope the damage is not to bad :(

Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:55 pm

I wonder if it had tailwheel problems? I know of one T-6 that had it's tailwheel go balistic when it landed and it probably would have ground looped, if there hadn't been a big, fairly deep ditch beside the runway.

Has anyone ever experienced such a thing with their tailwheel?

Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:27 pm

Has anyone ever experienced such a thing with their tailwheel?


If so, that means the engaging spring for the lock pin wasn't working right.

Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:29 pm

bluehawk15 wrote:I wonder if it had tailwheel problems? I know of one T-6 that had it's tailwheel go balistic when it landed and it probably would have ground looped, if there hadn't been a big, fairly deep ditch beside the runway.

Has anyone ever experienced such a thing with their tailwheel?


no, all the tailwheels I have ever had managed to stay in low earth orbit.

What do you mean ballistic ? Do you mean a shimmy ? the only way a T-6 tailwheel can shimmy is due to a worn locking plate, or pin, if the stick is pushed far enough forward to unlock the tailwheel, or in a SNJ, the tailwheel is not locked for landing.

Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:33 pm

Well, I've been in the back with severe tailwheel shimmy in an SNJ several times and just left odd marks on the pavement. Had the tailwheel of the old CAF FM-2 break off due to internal corrosion/cracking and become a great rubber tail skid held on by the springs and finally, watched a friend land a Pitts S-2A and lose the tailwheel right after touchdown and the wheel passed the plane as it used the tailwheel spring as a skid. Stuff happens. I hope all are well and damage is minimal.

Randy

thats a pretty one hopefully its not hurt

Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:38 pm

cause they are PRETTY and TOUGH old birds! :?

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Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:04 pm

probably would have ground looped, if there hadn't been a big, fairly deep ditch beside the runway.

I'm sorry but what????

Re: ???

Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:16 pm

Jack Cook wrote:
probably would have ground looped, if there hadn't been a big, fairly deep ditch beside the runway.

I'm sorry but what????


I love it when I'm saved by a hairy ground-loop by a big ditch! (?)

(I dragged both wings once, but didn't go around, and went 1/2 way around once but didn't drag anything . . .)

Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:23 pm

I've had a pretty big shimmy in a Fleet Canuck...all it did was scare the crap out of my passenger.

An improper rake angle of the T-6 can also produce a shimmy. I had that this past summer. I added nitrogen into the tail oleo & problem solved.

Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:21 pm

Hvd2Pilot wrote:I've had a pretty big shimmy in a Fleet Canuck...all it did was scare the crap out of my passenger.

An improper rake angle of the T-6 can also produce a shimmy. I had that this past summer. I added nitrogen into the tail oleo & problem solved.


That should have been caught on the preflight, esp since it is soo easy to check on the T-6 series

Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:30 pm

Good looking bird. Any photos post-loop?

Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:56 pm

Not the Harvard in question but dramatic nonetheless! (page down in the link and you will see what I mean)

http://rnzaf.proboards43.com/index.cgi? ... 337&page=4

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Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:15 pm

The one I was in went sidways off the runway and the right main snapped after we plowed the the soft dirt. Note the left in tweaked also.
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