1930's pictures posted on automotive site
Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:19 pm
A guy has been posting some great pictures his grandfather took in the 30's, with lots of trainers and bombers, some action shots. I thought you would like to see them.
http://www.freiburgersjunkyard.com/foru ... pic=8417.0
http://www.freiburgersjunkyard.com/foru ... pic=8417.0
Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:25 pm
Cool Pictures!
Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:21 pm
Wow, thanks for the link. Great pictures of the late inter-war period. Some very odd-ball types.
Please thank him for posting them.
Please thank him for posting them.
Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:36 pm
WOW !! Lot of neat stuff there ! The very last one on page two is a show stopper. That's either the Model 299 or more probably one of the YB-17s. You can see the Wright Test Arrow on the fuselage.
He says he believes this is the first B-17 Harry ever saw. Can you imagine after flying on the Keystones and B-10s what he must have thought when seeing that huge rocket ship looking airplane ?
Great pics, thanks for posting the link !
He says he believes this is the first B-17 Harry ever saw. Can you imagine after flying on the Keystones and B-10s what he must have thought when seeing that huge rocket ship looking airplane ?
Great pics, thanks for posting the link !
Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:08 pm
RickH wrote:WOW !! Lot of neat stuff there ! The very last one on page two is a show stopper. That's either the Model 299 or more probably one of the YB-17s. You can see the Wright Test Arrow on the fuselage.
He says he believes this is the first B-17 Harry ever saw. Can you imagine after flying on the Keystones and B-10s what he must have thought when seeing that huge rocket ship looking airplane ?
Great pics, thanks for p osting the link !
It's amazing how quickly the technology progressed from the open cockpit biplanes to an aircraft like the B-17. There's some kind of description along the bottom of the B-17 photo, but I can't quite make it out. Part of it might be a date. He said there were several albums he was going through, so I'm hoping for more.
I was just blown away by seeing these pictures. It's such an amazing time capsule. I'm glad you guys are enjoying them too. The B-24 caught making a belly landing blew my mind too.
Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:19 pm
Thanks so much for bringing those to our attention!
A bit more care in scanning them and they would really pop!
Those are great!
The B-24 about to belly in is an amazing shot.
The B-17 is gorgeous!
http://www.freiburgersjunkyard.com/foru ... #msg166199
A bit more care in scanning them and they would really pop!
Those are great!
The B-24 about to belly in is an amazing shot.
The B-17 is gorgeous!
http://www.freiburgersjunkyard.com/foru ... #msg166199
Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:21 pm
Edited because I realized it was the left wheel - not the belly turret skipping along!
Ryan
Ryan
Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:13 am
Very nice inter war pics indeed, especially the one's with the Martin b-10's
Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:37 pm
The B-17 has the Wright Field logo on it. That would lead me to believe that it was the 13th Y1B-17, which became the B-17A when fitted with turbosuperchargers.
Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:08 am
Updated - he added a bunch of new pics 1/5/09. There's a sequence showing the bombing and sinking of a U-boat, and several crash photos, including one of his grandfather's plane being towed to shore after a water landing in Hawaii. Amazing stuff.
http://www.freiburgersjunkyard.com/foru ... ic=8417.15
http://www.freiburgersjunkyard.com/foru ... ic=8417.15
Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:02 pm
Wow!!! Updated again - nose art from over 100 B-17's this time.
Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:03 pm
David Freiburger- I used to read his stuff when he edited Car Craft mag in the late nineties. I wondered what happened to him after he left there.
Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:12 am
SaxMan wrote:The B-17 has the Wright Field logo on it. That would lead me to believe that it was the 13th Y1B-17, which became the B-17A when fitted with turbosuperchargers.
According to a friendly WIX lurker who emailed me this is probably not correct. The first Y1B-17 (actually the second production aircraft) was the one sent to Wright Field. It's serial number was 36-149 and was later on display in San Francisco at the 1939 expo.
There were 13 Y1B-17s and a separate Y1B-17A contracted for.
Ryan
Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:47 pm
Friends
This album of Col Leber is a incredible!
It was a tragedy that he was cut down in the prime of life by Polio and I second Huskinhano comment that Scott did his grandfather well.
What is interesting is that Col. Leber war time assignments parallels that of Antisubmarine Command, which take up several chapters of Air Force history to explain how and why the Air Force got in the antisubmarine business and how it got out it, which I will not go into here.
As for some of the cashes in the album this is what Aviation Archaeology Data Base says (by date):
11 Nov. 1941, A-20A is serial no. 40-98 of the 79th BS(L) / 45BG (L) Crashed due to Engine Failure, at Spartanburg Muni Airport, SC, pilot; Van Sickle, Neil D.
This might be the squadron Col. Laber says he commands at Grenier Field, Manchester, Mass. in his resume. By the date it looks like his Group is in the last week or so of the pre-war Caroline Maneuvers which 1st Air Support Command took part. By the end of January 1942 the 45th BG (L) is assigned to 1st Bomber Command and is flying patrols looking for U-boats.
20 Oct. 1942, B-34, AJ342 Home base: Galveston AAF, TX, Pilot: Chesser, R L, Location: Galveston Road 2 Mi SW, TX.
The 443rd BS(M) of the 45th BG (M) is station at Galveston for patrols out into the Gulf at this time. The other squadrons of the 45th BG are at Jacksonville and Miami FL. Col. Laber may be the C.O. of this squadron. Note that the other B-34 shown in his album has “Yagi” radar antennas.
10 Nov. 1942, AT-6A serial no. 41-16259, from Ellington Field, TX, Pilot; Heyer, Walter L, Location; Galveston Arpt, TX
We all know what happen here.
25 Jan 1943, O-47A serial no. 38-322, home field New Orleans AAB, LA , Pilot: Watson, Harold E. Crash 8 Mi NW NOAAB, Lake Pontchartrn, LA,
Well Lake Pontchartrn is not Hawaii and it looks like they just towed it to shore on its landing gear! Note it has the O.D. and white “Sea-Search” camouflage. The assigned units of Antisubmarine Command are now redestinated Antisubmarine Squadrons.
May 1943, B-24D serial no.42-40173, Home field: Apo 632 Miami, pilot: Herman, Lawrence A. Cash at Morrison Field, FL
Col. Leber says he is in Miami with 26th Antisubmarine Wing at this time and Antisubmarine Command is reequipping with B-24s but this ship just has the O.D and Gray camouflage and maybe is not assigned to Antisubmarine Command.
By the end July 1943 the Navy was taking over the antisubmarine mission with its own B-24s and the Antisubmarine Command was once again redesignated I Bomber Command and its units were redesignated Bombardment Squadrons (Heavy) and ship off to Europe as was Col. Leber.
Tom
This album of Col Leber is a incredible!
It was a tragedy that he was cut down in the prime of life by Polio and I second Huskinhano comment that Scott did his grandfather well.
What is interesting is that Col. Leber war time assignments parallels that of Antisubmarine Command, which take up several chapters of Air Force history to explain how and why the Air Force got in the antisubmarine business and how it got out it, which I will not go into here.
As for some of the cashes in the album this is what Aviation Archaeology Data Base says (by date):
11 Nov. 1941, A-20A is serial no. 40-98 of the 79th BS(L) / 45BG (L) Crashed due to Engine Failure, at Spartanburg Muni Airport, SC, pilot; Van Sickle, Neil D.
This might be the squadron Col. Laber says he commands at Grenier Field, Manchester, Mass. in his resume. By the date it looks like his Group is in the last week or so of the pre-war Caroline Maneuvers which 1st Air Support Command took part. By the end of January 1942 the 45th BG (L) is assigned to 1st Bomber Command and is flying patrols looking for U-boats.
20 Oct. 1942, B-34, AJ342 Home base: Galveston AAF, TX, Pilot: Chesser, R L, Location: Galveston Road 2 Mi SW, TX.
The 443rd BS(M) of the 45th BG (M) is station at Galveston for patrols out into the Gulf at this time. The other squadrons of the 45th BG are at Jacksonville and Miami FL. Col. Laber may be the C.O. of this squadron. Note that the other B-34 shown in his album has “Yagi” radar antennas.
10 Nov. 1942, AT-6A serial no. 41-16259, from Ellington Field, TX, Pilot; Heyer, Walter L, Location; Galveston Arpt, TX
We all know what happen here.
25 Jan 1943, O-47A serial no. 38-322, home field New Orleans AAB, LA , Pilot: Watson, Harold E. Crash 8 Mi NW NOAAB, Lake Pontchartrn, LA,
Well Lake Pontchartrn is not Hawaii and it looks like they just towed it to shore on its landing gear! Note it has the O.D. and white “Sea-Search” camouflage. The assigned units of Antisubmarine Command are now redestinated Antisubmarine Squadrons.
May 1943, B-24D serial no.42-40173, Home field: Apo 632 Miami, pilot: Herman, Lawrence A. Cash at Morrison Field, FL
Col. Leber says he is in Miami with 26th Antisubmarine Wing at this time and Antisubmarine Command is reequipping with B-24s but this ship just has the O.D and Gray camouflage and maybe is not assigned to Antisubmarine Command.
By the end July 1943 the Navy was taking over the antisubmarine mission with its own B-24s and the Antisubmarine Command was once again redesignated I Bomber Command and its units were redesignated Bombardment Squadrons (Heavy) and ship off to Europe as was Col. Leber.
Tom
Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:55 pm
F2G_lover wrote:RickH wrote:WOW !! Lot of neat stuff there ! The very last one on page two is a show stopper. That's either the Model 299 or more probably one of the YB-17s. You can see the Wright Test Arrow on the fuselage.
He says he believes this is the first B-17 Harry ever saw. Can you imagine after flying on the Keystones and B-10s what he must have thought when seeing that huge rocket ship looking airplane ?
Great pics, thanks for p osting the link !
It's amazing how quickly the technology progressed from the open cockpit biplanes to an aircraft like the B-17. There's some kind of description along the bottom of the B-17 photo, but I can't quite make it out. Part of it might be a date. He said there were several albums he was going through, so I'm hoping for more.
I was just blown away by seeing these pictures. It's such an amazing time capsule. I'm glad you guys are enjoying them too. The B-24 caught making a belly landing blew my mind too.
That is one of the "standard" Y1B-17s. The caption appears to have a date of 11-5-37 on the left, with "B-17 at Hamilton Field, Calif." to the right.
Great stuff!
Scott