Simply Hawk
Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:20 am
As I know Argentina purchased and built Curtiss "Hawk" 75O, which is simple version of basic design. Did any of you have more info?
Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:03 am
Try here .
http://www.laahs.com/index.html
You will have to sign up for a question in the forum,takes a while for them to reply when you sign up .
Rick
http://www.laahs.com/index.html
You will have to sign up for a question in the forum,takes a while for them to reply when you sign up .
Rick
Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:07 pm
Never hear for this board- thank you Rick 
Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:33 pm
Your welcome.
I have posted before on there old forum but new one not yet.
Ask about P-35's in Equador and got reply ,photo in a couple of days.
Rick
I have posted before on there old forum but new one not yet.
Ask about P-35's in Equador and got reply ,photo in a couple of days.
Rick
Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:48 pm
Maybe you can help me .
Any web sight or book with photo's of Nieuports or other World War I aircraft used in your country during that war or after.
Looked through your sight and got some ideas also.
This is for model building .
Any excuse to build something
Thanks Rick
Any web sight or book with photo's of Nieuports or other World War I aircraft used in your country during that war or after.
Looked through your sight and got some ideas also.
This is for model building .
Any excuse to build something
Thanks Rick
Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:51 pm
Give me your email on PM and I will email you some hi- res images as well some of material I have. Also I will contact one member of my forum who is also going to make one Nieuport scale kit.
Cheers
Cheers
Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:25 am
Mgawa,
when registering at LAAHS, you must use your name and last name; we do not accept nicknames.
I have these two, author is unknown to me, and I have had them for so long, that I don't even remember who sent them to me, or if I got them from a book or magazine.
Saludos,
Tulio
when registering at LAAHS, you must use your name and last name; we do not accept nicknames.
I have these two, author is unknown to me, and I have had them for so long, that I don't even remember who sent them to me, or if I got them from a book or magazine.
Saludos,
Tulio
Hawk 75
Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:59 am
Hey anybody want to build new ones.We have chased rumors for years about one of these still in existance in Argentina but nothing has ever come of it. One fine looking airplane but then it is Curtiss.
Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:23 am
Here's some historical data; the credits are given at the end of the translated article.
There may be an error re: serial numbers, but it is too late right now, for me to go chasing data, so there. : )
Saludos,
Tulio
The Argentineans were seeking to replace their Dewoitine D. 21 C1 so a contest was opened to find a successor. Amongst the airplanes evaluated, were the Dewoitine D. 371/D500, the Curtis Hawk III/IV, the Vought V- 143, and the Seversky 2PA.
A decission was made in January of 1938, The Argentinean government first purchased the second Curtiss factory demonstrator, a 75H, civilian
registration NR1277 (Curtiss c/n 12328), and then ordered 29 production examples, which were serialled C-631 to C-650 [Curtiss serials: 12769 through 12797]
These were powered by a Wright GR-1820-G5 Cyclone of 1,000 HP @2200 RPM, had fixed landing gear, were equipped with a Telefunken radio transmitter / receiver.
Curtiss designation was H-75O.
The armament consisted of four Belgian-designed Madsen machine guns:
Two, in 7.62mm, one in each wing.
One, in 7.65mm mounted atop the engine.
One, in 11.35mm mounted atop the engine.
It could carry 136 Kg. of bombs in an internal bomb-bay.
Curtiss completed the first example of the "O" model in November of 1938 and deliveries were made to Argentina, between 29 November and 30 December, 1938.
The Argentineans also negotiated and obtained a license to manufacture the H-75O, at their Fabrica Militar de Aviones [FMA], in Cordoba, with the first H-75O locally manufactured by FMA deliveredon 16 September 1940.
20 airplanes were built, and assigned serials C-631 to C-650 [C = Caza = Fighter], and provided front-line service until 1953 with the three Grupos de Caza [Fighter Groups I, II and III] of the Regimiento Aéreo Nº 2
[Aerial Regiment Nº 2] of the Comando de Aviación del Ejército [Army Aviation Command] between January 1939 and 4 September 1944, when the CAE (Comando de Aviación del Ejército) became the Fuerza Aerea
Argentina.
The H-75Os saw service together with the Curtis Hawk III; 5 aircraft were lost during service, and by 1945, 45 out of the original 50 units, remained in service.
After their removal from front line service, the survivors were transferred to training units, and were used also by high ranking officers, for airshow work and demonstrations.
The last examples were re-grouped in 1949 in the Groups I and II of the IV Brigada Aerea. Their last assignment was to the Aeroparque Jorge Newbery in June 1955, when the Army rebelled against the government.
According to what I could find, the last two H-75Os were scrapped in April or May 1982...
MARKINGS:
At first, the airplanes were serialled 601 to 650 and remained in natural metal color, with only the fabric-covered surfaces receiving silver-color paint.
The antiglare panel as well as the serial numbers, were painted in black; serial numbers were carried on the fuselage and also on four positions on the wings.
Aircraft for Group and squadron commanders were identified by a red band carried behind the cockpit.
After June 1943, the airplanes were painted overall Olive Drab, with light blue undersurfaces, with the serial numbers in white, preceded by the letter "C" [C = Caza = Fighter] now located in the leading edge of the wings, the fuselage and the vertical surfaces, and also with a small Argentinean flag; the Argentinean roundels were carried on the six usual locations.
Between 1941 and 1942, some of the Hawks were painted with a black, blue or red band behind the cockpit, to identify aircraft within the same squadron.
Beginning in 1945, the propeller blades were painted overall black, with yellow wingtips.
CREDIT:
The information above, it its majority comes from this webpage:
http://www.choiquehobbies.com.ar/revist ... hawk75.htm
The author is Rodolfo Hertrig.
There may be an error re: serial numbers, but it is too late right now, for me to go chasing data, so there. : )
Saludos,
Tulio
The Argentineans were seeking to replace their Dewoitine D. 21 C1 so a contest was opened to find a successor. Amongst the airplanes evaluated, were the Dewoitine D. 371/D500, the Curtis Hawk III/IV, the Vought V- 143, and the Seversky 2PA.
A decission was made in January of 1938, The Argentinean government first purchased the second Curtiss factory demonstrator, a 75H, civilian
registration NR1277 (Curtiss c/n 12328), and then ordered 29 production examples, which were serialled C-631 to C-650 [Curtiss serials: 12769 through 12797]
These were powered by a Wright GR-1820-G5 Cyclone of 1,000 HP @2200 RPM, had fixed landing gear, were equipped with a Telefunken radio transmitter / receiver.
Curtiss designation was H-75O.
The armament consisted of four Belgian-designed Madsen machine guns:
Two, in 7.62mm, one in each wing.
One, in 7.65mm mounted atop the engine.
One, in 11.35mm mounted atop the engine.
It could carry 136 Kg. of bombs in an internal bomb-bay.
Curtiss completed the first example of the "O" model in November of 1938 and deliveries were made to Argentina, between 29 November and 30 December, 1938.
The Argentineans also negotiated and obtained a license to manufacture the H-75O, at their Fabrica Militar de Aviones [FMA], in Cordoba, with the first H-75O locally manufactured by FMA deliveredon 16 September 1940.
20 airplanes were built, and assigned serials C-631 to C-650 [C = Caza = Fighter], and provided front-line service until 1953 with the three Grupos de Caza [Fighter Groups I, II and III] of the Regimiento Aéreo Nº 2
[Aerial Regiment Nº 2] of the Comando de Aviación del Ejército [Army Aviation Command] between January 1939 and 4 September 1944, when the CAE (Comando de Aviación del Ejército) became the Fuerza Aerea
Argentina.
The H-75Os saw service together with the Curtis Hawk III; 5 aircraft were lost during service, and by 1945, 45 out of the original 50 units, remained in service.
After their removal from front line service, the survivors were transferred to training units, and were used also by high ranking officers, for airshow work and demonstrations.
The last examples were re-grouped in 1949 in the Groups I and II of the IV Brigada Aerea. Their last assignment was to the Aeroparque Jorge Newbery in June 1955, when the Army rebelled against the government.
According to what I could find, the last two H-75Os were scrapped in April or May 1982...
MARKINGS:
At first, the airplanes were serialled 601 to 650 and remained in natural metal color, with only the fabric-covered surfaces receiving silver-color paint.
The antiglare panel as well as the serial numbers, were painted in black; serial numbers were carried on the fuselage and also on four positions on the wings.
Aircraft for Group and squadron commanders were identified by a red band carried behind the cockpit.
After June 1943, the airplanes were painted overall Olive Drab, with light blue undersurfaces, with the serial numbers in white, preceded by the letter "C" [C = Caza = Fighter] now located in the leading edge of the wings, the fuselage and the vertical surfaces, and also with a small Argentinean flag; the Argentinean roundels were carried on the six usual locations.
Between 1941 and 1942, some of the Hawks were painted with a black, blue or red band behind the cockpit, to identify aircraft within the same squadron.
Beginning in 1945, the propeller blades were painted overall black, with yellow wingtips.
CREDIT:
The information above, it its majority comes from this webpage:
http://www.choiquehobbies.com.ar/revist ... hawk75.htm
The author is Rodolfo Hertrig.
Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:44 am
Very good site and info. By the way Tulio- I have read with care and I have register with real name. Now wait admin to aprove my account. Maybe he/she will and maybe not.
I still have a problme to determine how many Hawks for Argentine did have cooling gills on the top of engine cowling and how many did not. Problem is also armament under wing- is the gun pod standard equipment or not. Image you present show small bombs.
Cheers
I still have a problme to determine how many Hawks for Argentine did have cooling gills on the top of engine cowling and how many did not. Problem is also armament under wing- is the gun pod standard equipment or not. Image you present show small bombs.
Cheers
Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:21 am
Mgawa,
I checked out the new member registrations, and there is no one pending; I was going to go ahead and authorize your membership at LAAHS, but I don't see that you have registered yet.
Now, regarding the H-75O:
From what I understand, the machine guns were carried inside the wings, and on top of the engine, firing through the prop arc.
The bombs were carried under the wings.
As for the cooling grills, I am afraid that I have no idea regarding this.
Saludos,
Tulio
I checked out the new member registrations, and there is no one pending; I was going to go ahead and authorize your membership at LAAHS, but I don't see that you have registered yet.
Now, regarding the H-75O:
From what I understand, the machine guns were carried inside the wings, and on top of the engine, firing through the prop arc.
The bombs were carried under the wings.
As for the cooling grills, I am afraid that I have no idea regarding this.
Saludos,
Tulio
Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:55 am
So there is some doubts about Hawks...
I get some email and I have confirm link inside. No problem, if I can not register.
I get some email and I have confirm link inside. No problem, if I can not register.
Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:06 am
Thanks to you I have been able to make this profile:
Where to find list of units and equipment of Argentina aviation during and before WW2?
Where to find list of units and equipment of Argentina aviation during and before WW2?
Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:56 pm
A good starting point, would be here:
http://www.choiquehobbies.com.ar/revist ... hawk75.htm
Backtrack from the link, and you will find a list of aircraft in service with the Argentineans.
Another very good source, is the series of books "Fuerzas Aeronavales" published by Mr. Jorge Nunez Padin. There are many books, each one devoted to a specific type, with great photos, lots of data and historical information, and emblems, insignia and color schemes.
www.fuerzasnavales.com
Saludos, and good luck.
Tulio
http://www.choiquehobbies.com.ar/revist ... hawk75.htm
Backtrack from the link, and you will find a list of aircraft in service with the Argentineans.
Another very good source, is the series of books "Fuerzas Aeronavales" published by Mr. Jorge Nunez Padin. There are many books, each one devoted to a specific type, with great photos, lots of data and historical information, and emblems, insignia and color schemes.
www.fuerzasnavales.com
Saludos, and good luck.
Tulio
Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:46 pm
All right- thank you 