do all the leading warbird magazines spy on each other????
Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:10 am
i subscribe to flight journal, air & space smithsonian, air classics, warbirds international, aviation history, not to mention what i pick up at the news stand, even british publications, & many times there are over lapping stories on the same topic within a month or two. coincidence?? or what??? it's all their in black & white regardless of who is the publisher. what's the scoop??
Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:44 am
Well- maybe to narrow field and some topic are repeated. Also there is for sure some leaks and info are spreading in the back door. In this way I prefer some magazines like the one from Japan, Germany or France who have its own way. I think that in general world maybe need one complete new fresh magzine, with new people and aproach.
Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:45 am
Maybe they all get their material from WIX 
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:43 am
It's funny to see a nice article in a good mag then see the same thing in another unmentioned one with no photographer or story credits 
Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:45 am
Well, the answer to the question is certainly "yes", they do read each other.
But whether they do or not, they will all have similar stories because they are all chasing the same news, and there are a fairly limited number of events.
And if they aren't reading Wix, which generally gets news out much faster than a print publication can, they're idiots. And I don't think they're idiots.
Nobody can own information about warbird news. There is no need or reason to give credit for reporting the same news someone else reported last week or last month. The first magazine to report the news got the "scoop", that is all you get for being first.
August
But whether they do or not, they will all have similar stories because they are all chasing the same news, and there are a fairly limited number of events.
And if they aren't reading Wix, which generally gets news out much faster than a print publication can, they're idiots. And I don't think they're idiots.
Nobody can own information about warbird news. There is no need or reason to give credit for reporting the same news someone else reported last week or last month. The first magazine to report the news got the "scoop", that is all you get for being first.
August
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:14 am
I was referring more to downloaded web photos
Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:28 am
Oh yeah, well that's just piracy.
August
August
Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:06 am
I can understand some of the duplication, especially with an event like the GML, but I get upset with the variuos articles in multiple magazines, by the same author, with only minor editorial or photo content changes. It's as though they send out different versions of the same story to all the magazines with the hope of several "biting".
Perhaps some mags don't realize the author has sent multiple "same topic" story's out, but it still happens. That's a journalistic integrity problem.
My other problem, and I won't name any names, are articles that come from the same source and continually only cover one subject. It's as though it's a hired PR guy sending out information on themselves and how great they are, but masqradeing as a fair and honest article. That's not kosher in my book, especially if the person writing the aricle is employeed by whatever or who ever the subject of the article is.
I consider it a little differently if someone who owns a restoration house writes an article on the difficulties or running such a shop, because that gives us some insight into what it takes and how things really work. But the blatant, self-serving and continual articles on the same subject are what I have a problem with.
My two cents.
Jerry
Perhaps some mags don't realize the author has sent multiple "same topic" story's out, but it still happens. That's a journalistic integrity problem.
My other problem, and I won't name any names, are articles that come from the same source and continually only cover one subject. It's as though it's a hired PR guy sending out information on themselves and how great they are, but masqradeing as a fair and honest article. That's not kosher in my book, especially if the person writing the aricle is employeed by whatever or who ever the subject of the article is.
I consider it a little differently if someone who owns a restoration house writes an article on the difficulties or running such a shop, because that gives us some insight into what it takes and how things really work. But the blatant, self-serving and continual articles on the same subject are what I have a problem with.
My two cents.
Jerry
Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:47 am
Interesting topic.
The only other warbird magazine that I read is Classic Wings, so I am not really sure what the others are doing. So, at least for Warbird Digest, we aren't worried about what anyone else is doing. Personally, I kind of see Classic Wings as our sister publication although we are not at all affiliated. The guys there are very friendly and we have several contributors that work for both of us and it doesn't bother me a bit. I am constantly amazed at how Dave and Graham are able to unearth news from the farthest reaches of the earth and I compliment them on that. They also have a great mix of classic and warbird, while we currently focus clearly on warbirds, as our title clearly suggests.
The internet is one of the reasons that we have shied away from being a news orientated publication. We really want to focus on the compelling stories both technical and personal. I hope that we have found the right mix, but feedback is always welcome.
We too have been bitten by the shotgun approach of some authors, whether they were intential or not. Now we try to clarify whether we are the only one recieving the article. If we aren't we don't tend to print it. We aren't in the business of just filling pages, we want to fill them with good, quality photos and articles.
I think a lot of the reason that similar stories appear in multiple magazines at the same time is that I believe we are all out to tell a compelling story and sometimes we are all working in the same direction. If a new restoration appears on the scene we obviously all have an interest in covering it. I think each of us covers it in our own way, so i really don't see the harm.
To me it is all about promoting the warbird movement. I don't get too territorially or upset when we are beat to the punch on a story. I believe we tell it differently, and usually more indepth than most. Most of the owners like to have coverage in multiple magazines, so I have never really felt right about asking for an exclusive etc., although I know that several other publications do so.
One thing that applies to each and every warbird magazine-we could all use your support in the form of subscriptions. There is no doubt that we are in a niche market, and a tough one at that.
The only other warbird magazine that I read is Classic Wings, so I am not really sure what the others are doing. So, at least for Warbird Digest, we aren't worried about what anyone else is doing. Personally, I kind of see Classic Wings as our sister publication although we are not at all affiliated. The guys there are very friendly and we have several contributors that work for both of us and it doesn't bother me a bit. I am constantly amazed at how Dave and Graham are able to unearth news from the farthest reaches of the earth and I compliment them on that. They also have a great mix of classic and warbird, while we currently focus clearly on warbirds, as our title clearly suggests.
The internet is one of the reasons that we have shied away from being a news orientated publication. We really want to focus on the compelling stories both technical and personal. I hope that we have found the right mix, but feedback is always welcome.
We too have been bitten by the shotgun approach of some authors, whether they were intential or not. Now we try to clarify whether we are the only one recieving the article. If we aren't we don't tend to print it. We aren't in the business of just filling pages, we want to fill them with good, quality photos and articles.
I think a lot of the reason that similar stories appear in multiple magazines at the same time is that I believe we are all out to tell a compelling story and sometimes we are all working in the same direction. If a new restoration appears on the scene we obviously all have an interest in covering it. I think each of us covers it in our own way, so i really don't see the harm.
To me it is all about promoting the warbird movement. I don't get too territorially or upset when we are beat to the punch on a story. I believe we tell it differently, and usually more indepth than most. Most of the owners like to have coverage in multiple magazines, so I have never really felt right about asking for an exclusive etc., although I know that several other publications do so.
One thing that applies to each and every warbird magazine-we could all use your support in the form of subscriptions. There is no doubt that we are in a niche market, and a tough one at that.
Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:43 pm
Hello all,
While I am not familiar with Flight Journal, the others on Tom's list are more popular magazines supported to some high degree by advertising. They are neither peer-reviewed nor do they include citations to previous literature. The authors are likely paid by the word and there might be little attention given to their credentials or credability. This broad brush may does not apply to all the mags on the list, but even Air & Space is published perhaps more to entertain than to educate. None of these are what I would consider scholarly.
I appreciate that a primary interest on this list is flying aircraft and some of the mags have pictures of a/c presently in the air, but another interest is history. Interpretation of history requires a skepticism concerning contemorary and more recent claims, and some removal from nationalistic and other biases. The popular American aviation magazines by and large fail this test. Historical resarch also requires citation of sources of information so the reader can better understand the context of the writing
There is quality research being published. For the US, The American Aviation Historical Society Journal, Skyways and WWI Aero come immediately to mind and there are many others published elsewhere. I am very sorry that Tom did not include published journals such as these in his original list. These articles published original research and there are few redundancies.
Kevin.
While I am not familiar with Flight Journal, the others on Tom's list are more popular magazines supported to some high degree by advertising. They are neither peer-reviewed nor do they include citations to previous literature. The authors are likely paid by the word and there might be little attention given to their credentials or credability. This broad brush may does not apply to all the mags on the list, but even Air & Space is published perhaps more to entertain than to educate. None of these are what I would consider scholarly.
I appreciate that a primary interest on this list is flying aircraft and some of the mags have pictures of a/c presently in the air, but another interest is history. Interpretation of history requires a skepticism concerning contemorary and more recent claims, and some removal from nationalistic and other biases. The popular American aviation magazines by and large fail this test. Historical resarch also requires citation of sources of information so the reader can better understand the context of the writing
There is quality research being published. For the US, The American Aviation Historical Society Journal, Skyways and WWI Aero come immediately to mind and there are many others published elsewhere. I am very sorry that Tom did not include published journals such as these in his original list. These articles published original research and there are few redundancies.
Kevin.
Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:43 pm
Hello all,
While I am not familiar with Flight Journal, the others on Tom's list are more popular magazines supported to some high degree by advertising. They are neither peer-reviewed nor do they include citations to previous literature. The authors are likely paid by the word and there might be little attention given to their credentials or credability. This broad brush may does not apply to all the mags on the list, but even Air & Space is published perhaps more to entertain than to educate. None of these are what I would consider scholarly.
I appreciate that a primary interest on this list is flying aircraft and some of the mags have pictures of a/c presently in the air, but another interest is history. Interpretation of history requires a skepticism concerning contemorary and more recent claims, and some removal from nationalistic and other biases. The popular American aviation magazines by and large fail this test.
There is quality research being published. For the US, The American Aviation Historical Society Journal, Skyways and WWI Aero come immediately to mind and there are many others published elsewhere. I am very sorry that Tom did not include published journals such as these in his original list. These articles published original research and there are few redundancies.
Kevin.
While I am not familiar with Flight Journal, the others on Tom's list are more popular magazines supported to some high degree by advertising. They are neither peer-reviewed nor do they include citations to previous literature. The authors are likely paid by the word and there might be little attention given to their credentials or credability. This broad brush may does not apply to all the mags on the list, but even Air & Space is published perhaps more to entertain than to educate. None of these are what I would consider scholarly.
I appreciate that a primary interest on this list is flying aircraft and some of the mags have pictures of a/c presently in the air, but another interest is history. Interpretation of history requires a skepticism concerning contemorary and more recent claims, and some removal from nationalistic and other biases. The popular American aviation magazines by and large fail this test.
There is quality research being published. For the US, The American Aviation Historical Society Journal, Skyways and WWI Aero come immediately to mind and there are many others published elsewhere. I am very sorry that Tom did not include published journals such as these in his original list. These articles published original research and there are few redundancies.
Kevin.
Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:25 pm
Not yet mentioned are the quarterly magazines (plural) published by Air Britain. They are scholarly works of the highest standard. Don't be put off by the title as their work is truly international. Membership spans the globe and no advertisements mar their pages.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:38 pm
While I am not familiar with Flight Journal
Excellent magazine!!!
http://www.flightjournal.com/ME2/Default.asp
Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:02 pm
i'm not talking about current warbird news such as what crashed, or who restored what plane, i'm talking about indepth articles on particular aircraft. examples....... i've seen 3 right ups recently on the post ww 2 xb-46 bomber, & a spate of articles on the a-4 skyhawk, the xb-51 bomber all in different magazines. coincidence?? i find it rather suspect, not ironic!!
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:11 pm
i am tired of reading about the same type of aircraft over and over. i fly a timm n2t-1 all wood ww11 navy trainer. the fuselage is constructed using the aeromold system.i have never seen a article about this plane and it's unique construction. when i contact aviation magazine's about doing a article on the timm they never get past the talking stage. it's a shame that many interested in aviation will never know about this plane.
john
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