What are these?
Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:59 pm
The B-25s are obvious, but I dont recognize the aircraft in the background. Any help is appreciated.
Re: What are these?
Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:04 pm
fitzday wrote:The B-25s are obvious, but I dont recognize the aircraft in the background. Any help is appreciated.
RAF or SAAF Martin Baltimores
????
Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:05 pm
Martin Marylands and B-25s of the 12th BG
Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:53 pm
The Maryland was very slim. I think they are Baltimores.
Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:51 pm
Definately Martin 187 Baltimores, the descendent of the Maryland. The Baltimore used the same basic wings and tail, but had a deeper fuselage and bigger engines (CW R-2600s instead of the Maryland's PW R-1830s.)
I've always thought both airplanes were cool. Unfortunately, they tend to get overlooked by historians.
SN
I've always thought both airplanes were cool. Unfortunately, they tend to get overlooked by historians.
SN
Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:57 am
Don't forget the lonely 'ole Hawk off to the left...
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Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:20 pm
Thanks for the help guys. I never would have guessed Baltimores; for some reason I had my head stuck on the older Martin B-10/B-12. And nice call on the P-40 Peter, I never even noticed it. I'm correct in assuming from the aircraft mix that this is probably in the Med?
Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:30 pm
Very cool photo. British or American P-40's?
Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:33 pm
Any Baltimores or Marylands in existance?
Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:35 pm
No idea what nationality the P-40 is. Oh and by the way if anyone recognizes where this photo is from please let me know. This is one of several a friend of mine emailed me and he didnt say where he found them (can't remember more like it).
Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:11 am
Sadly both Baltimores and Marylands are extinct, without even any substantial wreckage that I know of. You may get to see a B-25 or two..
Pink American B-25s and Commonwealth (British or S African) Baltimores could be escorted by RAF or American P-40s; the combination puts it almost certainly North Africa, late in that campaign, I'd suggest. Only thing I can guess at is a late (long) P-40 type, with drop-tank, unless Steve as a magic P-40er for more data. Some US marking expert can tell us what dates that roundel type occurred between.
Shot on an official large format military camera, heading East, early pm, looking towards the Med. The cameraman had been chewing tobacco, had red socks and probably was unshaven. He was tired, and would rather have been at home.
Some of the above may be incorrect, other bits are 'elementary'.
Pink American B-25s and Commonwealth (British or S African) Baltimores could be escorted by RAF or American P-40s; the combination puts it almost certainly North Africa, late in that campaign, I'd suggest. Only thing I can guess at is a late (long) P-40 type, with drop-tank, unless Steve as a magic P-40er for more data. Some US marking expert can tell us what dates that roundel type occurred between.
Shot on an official large format military camera, heading East, early pm, looking towards the Med. The cameraman had been chewing tobacco, had red socks and probably was unshaven. He was tired, and would rather have been at home.
Some of the above may be incorrect, other bits are 'elementary'.
Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:29 am
fitzday wrote:No idea what nationality the P-40 is. Oh and by the way if anyone recognizes where this photo is from please let me know.
Dunno where your friend may have found the image you posted, but there is a hi-res TIFF available
on the Library of Congress site. See HERE...
As to the nationality of the P-40... I dunno for sure. It's a P-40K, and could be from one of the
Commonwealth nations, or perhaps from the 57th FG.
Oh... almost forgot... the B-25s are from the 12th BG.
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