Wish you had this protection in hanger for your warbird?
Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:55 pm
http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=10491
Oops the B-1B is a warbird.. well lucky them then
Suspresses fire, walls and humans, so hey it must be effective.
Oops the B-1B is a warbird.. well lucky them then
Suspresses fire, walls and humans, so hey it must be effective.
Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:15 pm
Hehehe...
I just happen to be working in that field and let me tell you that this video has been seen by almost everybody in fire protection !
The thing is, the only thing wrong with this test is that the system was supposed to shut-off after a short time but for some reason, it did not. Otherwise, that's what a high-expansion foam system discharge looks like !
A lot of people fail to realize what "filling the hangar with foam" really means... this video shows it well
It was specially sweet for us since we sell a system that does a better and faster job with only inches of foam. We could not have done better if we had wanted to do so, hehehehe.
I just happen to be working in that field and let me tell you that this video has been seen by almost everybody in fire protection !
The thing is, the only thing wrong with this test is that the system was supposed to shut-off after a short time but for some reason, it did not. Otherwise, that's what a high-expansion foam system discharge looks like !
A lot of people fail to realize what "filling the hangar with foam" really means... this video shows it well
It was specially sweet for us since we sell a system that does a better and faster job with only inches of foam. We could not have done better if we had wanted to do so, hehehehe.
Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:32 pm
how do the poor saps rate that have to clean those suds??? are they regs offendors??? or dumb volunteers??
Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:24 am
.............and when the system goes wrong you get..................
Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:52 pm
Seems like the two jet twins pic has been posted here before along with a tech rundown of the faux pas that caused it. Seems like there was also an air-to-ground shot of a ten foot high wave of foam coming out the slightly opened hangar door.
I bet that would also suppress museum volunteers too.
What was the cost of repairs to the engines on those two a/c? That would be an interesting entry on the rebuild damage report, indeed.
A couple of years ago, Airboss had us wash the Thunderbird at LSFM and a member Photoshopped the B-17 into the soapy hangar. I forwarded it to a few friends with the caption, "Okay, who made that last bucket of suds?"
Suds-ed hangars arent' funny but they're funny. The snafu is the essence of American humor.
Canso42 waitin' on dinner
I bet that would also suppress museum volunteers too.
What was the cost of repairs to the engines on those two a/c? That would be an interesting entry on the rebuild damage report, indeed.
A couple of years ago, Airboss had us wash the Thunderbird at LSFM and a member Photoshopped the B-17 into the soapy hangar. I forwarded it to a few friends with the caption, "Okay, who made that last bucket of suds?"
Suds-ed hangars arent' funny but they're funny. The snafu is the essence of American humor.
Canso42 waitin' on dinner
Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:06 pm
This happened twice to a hangar here in Hamilton. First time the hangar was empty, the second time there was a Challenger and I believe two helicopters in the hangar. The foam went to the top of the Challenger's tail! It was caused by some sort of power outage, I'm sure it made the aircraft nice and clean, but they required some work before they could fly again!
Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:14 pm
Lone Stars hangar doesn't have the foam system, only the water sprinklers in the ceiling.
Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:20 pm
i'm gonna mash that little bug!!! that is too clever!!
that is too clever!!
Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:42 am
Don't smash the Bug he's cleaning my screen 
Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:21 am
Our system went off AGAIN this summer during a thunderstorm and power outage. Only the line side foam went off, lucky me, my tool box was just outside the area but all our computers got junked. No airplanes affected this time but all the people were dumbfounded by big blocks of foam the size of trailer trucks crossing ALCOA highway.
Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:06 pm
Hmmm... power outages are NOT supposed to trigger foam systems (or any other fire extinguishing system for that matter.
Unless they have been poorly designed. Normally, they should be provided with an emergency power source that is designed to prevent any action other than a trouble signal to indicate the power outage.
If the system discharges, then there is something wrong with it. Or... thunder sometimes can trigger a system if it falls real close and creates a power surge in the system. But again, a good system is designed with built-in redundancy in the detection side to prevent false discharges.
I'm curious as to how many systems actually discharge like this when not needed ?
Unless they have been poorly designed. Normally, they should be provided with an emergency power source that is designed to prevent any action other than a trouble signal to indicate the power outage.
If the system discharges, then there is something wrong with it. Or... thunder sometimes can trigger a system if it falls real close and creates a power surge in the system. But again, a good system is designed with built-in redundancy in the detection side to prevent false discharges.
I'm curious as to how many systems actually discharge like this when not needed ?
Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:45 pm
N3Njeff wrote:Our system went off AGAIN this summer during a thunderstorm and power outage. Only the line side foam went off, lucky me, my tool box was just outside the area but all our computers got junked. No airplanes affected this time but all the people were dumbfounded by big blocks of foam the size of trailer trucks crossing ALCOA highway.
Thats a bummer!! That makes three times that I know of. Curtis Sikes's tool box got nailed the first time, and it warped the maple butcher block on top, and the tools rusted overnight. It was a mess.
Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:47 pm
This also took place in a hangar out at KAGC about a year ago or so. It made the news as people were trying to get their tool boxes out of the hangar of the local FBO.
Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:08 pm
hairy wrote:.............and when the system goes wrong you get..................
Hey!
That wasnt the first time, it was the second and definitely not the last!
I was walking next door the other day, off to retrieve a lamp from the parts room and I heard the alarms going. My tool box was in there, the Challenger door was open, and Dennis had the airplane on a slipper jack changing a tire. I went over to see if the door was still open, Dennis had shut the doors on three airplanes, and rolled out tool boxes into the other hangar before the foam made it up front. The system was shut off by valves before it could get too deep. 3 Challengers and a few other airplanes in the hangar that day. It cleaned up in about 3 hours.
I set it off about a year ago, but we got to the override button before the foam came on.
That picture above is about 7 years old now, we see it at every aviation gathering we go to including the IA renewall meetings. The Hawker up front was really nice with sparkling purple swirled carpets and matching office equipment. The Citation was a sugar, imported from germany, for short money, repainted and operated locally. The pilot didnt put the oil cap back on on one trip, the master caution light came on for "low oil pressure" at about 8000 feet. He told the FAA that We didnt have enough time to do it, after he asked to borrow my funnel because it was cheaper for him to do his oil himself!