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Beached P-38 photo

Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:00 pm

Link
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311724,00.html

wow...was I slow on this one...see the other P-38 thread

Jim

please god...HOLD THAT TIGHAR....

Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:10 pm

we need more 38's in the air and less murdered in museums....

Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:16 pm

Have no fear, WIXers. Richard Gillespie's in charge.

Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:19 pm

Dan K wrote:Have no fear, WIXers. Richard Gillespie's in charge.

:)

Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:54 pm

Too cool. I wonder what kind of shape it's in?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:23 pm

See:

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... hp?t=17005

You could fly the dataplate. Its value is as a historic artifact to be conserved and put on show in a museum - static. If you want a P-38 to fly, there are better, less historically important available projects.

im just curious...

Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:28 pm

JDK wrote:See:

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... hp?t=17005

You could fly the dataplate. Its value is as a historic artifact to be conserved and put on show in a museum - static. If you want a P-38 to fly, there are better, less historically important available projects.


you are NOT a pilot...are you?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:36 pm

How much of THIS P-38 do you think would fly again exactly?

Dave

Hmmm

Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:45 am

What was Amelia Earhart doing flying a P-38 over Wales in 1943?

Col. Mustard (aka Rick Gillespie) in the closet with a lead pipe.

No sorry, that's Fred Noonan in the right seat with with an empty bottle.

Message for Rick Gillespie. GET A JOB!!!

Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:07 am

I wonder what the Fleet Air Army Museum is???? Trust Fox News to have their heads up their heinies yet again. Mind you... not much to trust in the news anyway these days sadly when it comes to aviation matters. Loved the picture, but too bad they had to show it... who released it to the AP anyway???? Still it didn't reveal too much. Looks like it will be a great museum exhibit if they can get her before the scrappies move in.

Cheers,
Richard

Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:08 am

I wonder what the Fleet Air Army Museum is???? Trust Fox News to have their heads up their heinies yet again. Mind you... not much to trust in the news anyway these days sadly when it comes to aviation matters. Loved the picture, but too bad they had to show it... who released it to the AP anyway???? Still it didn't reveal too much. Looks like it will be a great museum exhibit if they can get her before the scrappies move in.

Cheers,
Richard

Re: im just curious...

Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:13 am

n5151ts wrote:
JDK wrote:See:

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... hp?t=17005

You could fly the dataplate. Its value is as a historic artifact to be conserved and put on show in a museum - static. If you want a P-38 to fly, there are better, less historically important available projects.


you are NOT a pilot...are you?


What does being a pilot have to do with it?

I'm as much a proponent of 'keep 'em flying' as anyone else, and I have to agree that there's not much point in a flying restoration for this particular aircraft.

Re: im just curious...

Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:33 am

n5151ts wrote:you are NOT a pilot...are you?


Yesterday I couldn't spell pilot, today I are one. :roll:

I volunteer my skilled and trained time (for free) at a museum that flies a selection of historic military aircraft duplicated with static examples. The museum is nationally owned, and demonstrates the aircraft for free. What do you do?

I've actively supported both flying and static aviation for over a quarter century, been a senior editor for two magazines dedicated to flying warbirds, and banged a few neurones together to help people achieve their aims with both flying and static restorations, including currently publicising the build of an historic Australian warbird, and fundrasing to flight of an ultra rare British amphibian. In both cases I won't get an ego boost of being 'driver, airframe', just the quet satisfaction of getting it up there.

No, I'm not a pilot. I have flown (stick, rudder and the waggly-powery thing) a Vietnam veteran aircraft. I didn't know either was a membership criteria for this forum. I'd hope that able to propose and defend any point of view was a criteria, rather than grafitti spraying threads with unrealistic remarks about 'murder' to do with national aviation collections (which in part protect aircraft from wanna-fly extremists).

Still waiting for you to put forward an argument in defence of your rather simplistic extreme views. In each case I think I've shown why flying those particular aircraft isn't a good idea - and in most cases, what the real alternative is - that other examples could be flown. No one loses - except, it appears, to you. We can, and do, have both, and I'll argue the point with anyone who demands everything is grounded as vehemently as with the everything must fly view. Both extremes aren't likely, possible or sensible.

Just put 'everything must fly' in your autosig, and we can move on, eh? Some of us recognise there's more to flying than tight-flightsuits, as someone recently pointed out.

Regards,

Re: im just curious...

Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:34 am

n5151ts wrote:you are NOT a pilot...are you?


JDK wrote:No


Just thought I'd summarise that for those with less patience. :lol:

Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:33 am

Damien...you da man! That there is funny...I don't care who ya are :D

Git 'er done :drink3:
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