F-51D Mustang query - re use/rockets for movie

Anyone own a F-51D in stock Korean condition ?

Are any of the F-/P-51D in use at moment able to carry dummy rockets?

[Chuck Gardner]

Lou Shaw in Addison TX

[Shay]

Anyone own a F-51D in stock Korean condition ?

Are any of the F-/P-51D in use at moment able to carry dummy rockets?

Lou Shaw in Addison TX

That Mustang is not maintained in "Stock Korean" condition. It's way too pretty.

Some images of USAF Korean F-51s I've seen were so dirty they made Vietnam Skyraiders look factory fresh.


Shay
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Semper Fortis

[Neal Nurmi]

Are those P-51H prop blades on that Mustang?

[Jack Cook]

Are those P-51H prop blades on that Mustang?

No Aeroproducts

[famvburg]

Didn't the H use an Aeroproducts prop?

Are those P-51H prop blades on that Mustang?

No Aeroproducts

[51fixer]

Are those P-51H prop blades on that Mustang?

No Aeroproducts

The H and the K models of the P-51 used Aeroproducts props as did the P-82. The P-63 and T-28A also used Aeroproducts.
Although many K models did incorporated a Ham Std as a field mod.
These Aeroproducts props had its own blade changing mechanism and operated independant of the engine oil system. The blades were also made from steel and done in a way that resulted in the majority of its interior being hollow as opposed to the solid Alum blades of a Ham Std.
Rich

[N3Njeff]

I like it but it needs the Diamond tires.....................Sweet airplane!

[warbird1]

Wasn't this the airplane that was being restored by Ezell out in Breckenridge to have real rockets or guns on it to fire while flying?

Anybody know if any weapons were fired off this airframe after it's restoration?

Back to my question if PLEASE... does anyone have answers? re capable rocket firing civil mustang for movie scenes?

[CAPFlyer]

It is very doubtful that there are any aircraft still certified for live ordinance, especially rockets. The hoops you have to jump through are pretty substantial and most insurance companies won't insure the aircraft even if you have all the required ratings, certifications, and training required to be able to properly equip the aircraft. Add to that the fact that hanging any kind of non-captive rounds on an aircraft is very dangerous and tedious to have to safe every time you land, its very impractical.

Your best bet would be to use scale models if you don't want CGI. Also, you can discuss the issue with a certified Special Effects Supervisor and the owner of the aircraft you wish to use about the possibility of gaining a "one time" waiver from the insurance company, the FAA, and the ATF, the three parties having jurisdiction over this type of issue, but it would most likely be pretty expensive.

[51fixer]

Anyone own a F-51D in stock Korean condition ?

Are any of the F-/P-51D in use at moment able to carry dummy rockets?

When I worked for Steve Hinton at POF/ Fighter Rebuilders we supplied aircraft for many movies and TV shows. That is why I suggested the he be contacted in a different thread. In most movie productions involving A/C there is an aerial coordinator. That person has the knowledge and contacts to provide the equipment needed as well as advise on how it can be operated to achive the needed results. The AC also most provide feedback to the director/producer to advise what is feasible and safe to perform.
I ended up making various mods to the POF A/C that were used in Iron Eagle 3. On the P-38 they originally had plans were to mount rockets on the drop tank pylons under the wings. That would make them fire through the prop. So the story was changed and they were then mounted under the outboard wings. Although rockets were made that were inert and bolted solidly to the A/C. There is an FAR about things secured to an aircraft not being able to fall off. All the rockets actually launching in the movie were filmed from models.
The movie Flight of the Intruder involved firing propane cannons with smoke oil being injected to create the puffs of smoke.
In film work it isn't what is real, it is what can be made to look real. Many real life things and situations don't even film well. To watch a film being made is an eye opening experience. Talk about an alternate reality.
Good Luck.
Rich

[famvburg]

Were the H & K model Aeroproducts props the same model?

Are those P-51H prop blades on that Mustang?

No Aeroproducts

The H and the K models of the P-51 used Aeroproducts props as did the P-82. The P-63 and T-28A also used Aeroproducts.
Although many K models did incorporated a Ham Std as a field mod.
These Aeroproducts props had its own blade changing mechanism and operated independant of the engine oil system. The blades were also made from steel and done in a way that resulted in the majority of its interior being hollow as opposed to the solid Alum blades of a Ham Std.
Rich

[51fixer]

Were the H & K model Aeroproducts props the same model?

Are those P-51H prop blades on that Mustang?

No Aeroproducts

The H and the K models of the P-51 used Aeroproducts props as did the P-82. The P-63 and T-28A also used Aeroproducts.
Although many K models did incorporated a Ham Std as a field mod.
These Aeroproducts props had its own blade changing mechanism and operated independant of the engine oil system. The blades were also made from steel and done in a way that resulted in the majority of its interior being hollow as opposed to the solid Alum blades of a Ham Std.
Rich

No.
Different airfoil/prop blade profile.
The basic Aeroproducts hub unit was similar, an Aeroproducts T-28, P-63 or P-51 blade could screw into the same hub. The air racer Tsunami used T-28 blades and a cutdown P-63 blade was also tried. The blades were changed while the hub stayed mounted on the aircraft.
This is similar to a Ham Stad. There are different blades that will fit the same hub. Although the prop has to be disassembled to change blades.
The H and K prop blades are different.
Rich