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ME-109 fun!

Mon May 28, 2007 4:19 pm

Thought this was great!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nj77mJlzrc

Mon May 28, 2007 4:26 pm

sorry, just got done watching BOB. Love the sounds of a 109. Love the 1st landing.

Mon May 28, 2007 6:21 pm

Good ol Walter Eichorn at the controls. Always a showman.

Walter over Ontario in Russell's bird.
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Happy Landings,

Eric

Mon May 28, 2007 8:25 pm

Awesome video! :supz: That must take a special breed of pilot to land on a grass strip like that with the 109's narrow landing gear. My "you know what" was puckering just watching that first landing! :shock:

John

Mon May 28, 2007 8:53 pm

Actually, if you're landing a tricky taildragger, grass is more preferable than pavement. Its alot more forgiving.

Steve G

Mon May 28, 2007 9:09 pm

Awesome video! Super That must take a special breed of pilot to land on a grass strip like that with the 109's narrow landing gear. My "you know what" was puckering just watching that first landing!


Actually, if you're landing a tricky taildragger, grass is more preferable than pavement. Its alot more forgiving.

Steve G


Steve you are right about that. I remember talking with Harold Kindsvater during the restoration of his Hispano HA-1112 Buchon, which is a 109 at heart, and he spoke about looking for a dirt or grass runway for his first flights because of the ground handling issues associated with the aircraft.

Nose view

Mon May 28, 2007 9:22 pm

I love the long slip, turning into a crab, and the last second correction. I'll bet it would come off much sooner if he kept the tail down on take off. Thanks for posting the footage.

Mon May 28, 2007 9:33 pm

That first takeoff, he left the tail a little low and let it fly off; the second takeoff he got the tail way up which kept it pinned down over those humps and let him see over the nose better, but man, that prop was close to the ground! He nailed that second landing.

Steve G

Tue May 29, 2007 6:35 am

I would think Walter is about the highest time 109 pilot around (??) He is very confident and has a lot flying time but from what I have heard he is a little rough on the aircraft.

Eric

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Tue May 29, 2007 8:01 am

I had breakfast at Sun N Fun years ago with a German 109 pilot, I think it may have been Walter. When I got to fly the Russell Group Spitfire in Canada last summer, John Romaine did a great job flying the 109 as did Rob Gillman in the Hurricane.

Tue May 29, 2007 9:49 am

AIRIC wrote: He is very confident and has a lot flying time but from what I have heard he is a little rough on the aircraft.



That's what shocked me while watching that first landing....it looked as though the landing gear took quite a beating.

John

Tue May 29, 2007 10:22 am

What engine is the 109 in the video clip using? To my novice ears sounded either like a Merlin or a Allison.

Tue May 29, 2007 12:10 pm

Doesn't that one have an original DB engine in it?

Wed May 30, 2007 10:12 pm

Not new to the website, but new to posting comments.


Connery wrote:Doesn't that one have an original DB engine in it?


I got this from the Luftwaffe Annex via another youtube video:

"On October 12, 1997 the last German built, Daimler-Benz engined Bf 109 crashed while trying to make an emergency landing after developing engine problems at the Duxford Autumn Air Show. The pilot, Strike Command C-in-C Sir John Allison survived unscathed but the same cannot be said for Black 6. As the pictures show, Black 6 suffered significant damage and at present it's future is undecided though restoration to at least static display is almost guaranteed.
Black 6 was completing what was to be it's last flight to be permitted by the British Ministry Of Defence."

Wed May 30, 2007 10:27 pm

maxum96 wrote:What engine is the 109 in the video clip using? To my novice ears sounded either like a Merlin or a Allison.

Not many of us have heard a DB in a Messerschmitt, but that's what it sounds like. It's a Daimler Benz, and that 'whistle' is distinctive. NOT a Merlin or Allison.

Griffonvp293 wrote:Not new to the website, but new to posting comments.

Welcome!
Griffonvp293 wrote:
Connery wrote:Doesn't that one have an original DB engine in it?


I got this from the Luftwaffe Annex via another youtube video:

"On October 12, 1997 the last German built, Daimler-Benz engined Bf 109 crashed while trying to make an emergency landing after developing engine problems at the Duxford Autumn Air Show. The pilot, Strike Command C-in-C Sir John Allison survived unscathed but the same cannot be said for Black 6. As the pictures show, Black 6 suffered significant damage and at present it's future is undecided though restoration to at least static display is almost guaranteed.
Black 6 was completing what was to be it's last flight to be permitted by the British Ministry Of Defence."

'Black 6' is now statically preserved and on show at the RAF Museum, Hendon. It has nothing to do with the aircraft in the film clip above, which is a Hispano Buchon (Spanish 109 with a Merlin engine) fitted with a Daimler Benz engine - so it's not a 'German built original', but, for the purposes of the video, is an undetectable difference. Reg is D-FMBB, and it was operated by whatever Messerchmitt's descendant company is called this week.

HTH.
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