Well...any landing you can walk away from....
Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:54 pm
And I'm still walkin'! 
Got to land the Warrior today...twice. First one was a little shaky. CORRECTION...a LOT shaky
Got my downwind, base, and final with no problem. Thought I was lined up pretty good until I got a bit lower, then had to, hastily, correct or die.
Came to a stop, then off again. (My take-offs are getting much better.) Came around the pattern and lined up really well this time. Still a little high but corrected OK. Touched down kinda' long 'cause I'm still a bit afraid of the ground. Still hesitant to fly the plane onto the runway I guess
I'm doing better at staying "outside" the cockpit and not chasing the gauges.
Getting more comfortable with how the a/c is supposed to feel while doing this and that and not having to fixate on the gauges to reassure myself.
Wednesday, I get to do stalls. With and without power.
No worries, mates. I'll git-r-done.
Mudge the walking
Got to land the Warrior today...twice. First one was a little shaky. CORRECTION...a LOT shaky
Got my downwind, base, and final with no problem. Thought I was lined up pretty good until I got a bit lower, then had to, hastily, correct or die.
Came to a stop, then off again. (My take-offs are getting much better.) Came around the pattern and lined up really well this time. Still a little high but corrected OK. Touched down kinda' long 'cause I'm still a bit afraid of the ground. Still hesitant to fly the plane onto the runway I guess
I'm doing better at staying "outside" the cockpit and not chasing the gauges.
Getting more comfortable with how the a/c is supposed to feel while doing this and that and not having to fixate on the gauges to reassure myself.
Wednesday, I get to do stalls. With and without power.
No worries, mates. I'll git-r-done.
Mudge the walking
Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:07 pm
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing. Any landing you can walk away from, and still use the airplane is a great one!
Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:07 pm
You will get it mudge.
Landings will click and it's just like riding a bike.
Of course after 30 years I can still screw one up from time to time...
Had an old pilot tell me one time to always try to log as many landings as takeoff!
Landings will click and it's just like riding a bike.
Of course after 30 years I can still screw one up from time to time...
Had an old pilot tell me one time to always try to log as many landings as takeoff!
Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:12 pm
Cool, Mudge!! I know others have said it, but it bears repeating. Watch the point BEYOND where you want to touch down, rather than fixating on the touchdown point.
If you can still fly the airplane .....
Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:33 pm
Any landing you can walk away from is a good one. If you can still fly the airplane, its a greaser.
Great job. Come to Logan, I'll get you some helicopter time, There you can really learn to use the pedals.
Mark H
Great job. Come to Logan, I'll get you some helicopter time, There you can really learn to use the pedals.
Mark H
landing
Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:49 pm
Mudge, Try to think of flying the plane just above the runway until it runs out of airspeed and just settles on the runway at stall speed. Power should be fully back at idle. My guess is full flap approach speed would be about 55 knots, it has been years since I've flown a Warrior. Don't try to force it down on the runway. Look about 200 feet ahead, something like you would if driving a car on the freeway. And how is the ground learning, are the DVDs good?
Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:56 pm
I'll get more practice landings on Wednesday. AFTER my stalls .
The DVDs are really good. Well worth the $350.
Landings are at full (40 degrees) flap and power at idle, 55 knots. I just kept trying to keep the plane from "slamming" onto the runway instead of waiting to feel the ground effect and THEN pitching the nose up a tad and letting it settle again.
Practice, practice, practice.
My instructor says, "From now on, he's gonna' be a little less forgiving on the stuff that I SHOULD be doing by now." I think I just need to "fine tune" some of the previous stuff. No worries.
Mudge the confident
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The DVDs are really good. Well worth the $350.
Landings are at full (40 degrees) flap and power at idle, 55 knots. I just kept trying to keep the plane from "slamming" onto the runway instead of waiting to feel the ground effect and THEN pitching the nose up a tad and letting it settle again.
Practice, practice, practice.
My instructor says, "From now on, he's gonna' be a little less forgiving on the stuff that I SHOULD be doing by now." I think I just need to "fine tune" some of the previous stuff. No worries.
Mudge the confident
Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:59 pm
don't feel bad....I once had a 'series' of landings that scared the sh*% out of me. on the plus side, I got me three takeoffs and landings in one shot. on the down side, it was a 3600' runway and technically, they weren't takeoffs/landings, they were EXTREME bounces!
it'll come with time and practice. and then when you switch to tailwheel aircraft, you get to relearn everything you thought you knew :O)
it'll come with time and practice. and then when you switch to tailwheel aircraft, you get to relearn everything you thought you knew :O)
Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:38 am
Good job Mudge!
Keep working on those landings. I can tell you that most passengers, no matter how good or bad you fly in the air, will always judge your skills on your landing.
Good luck,
David
Keep working on those landings. I can tell you that most passengers, no matter how good or bad you fly in the air, will always judge your skills on your landing.
Good luck,
David
Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:43 am
Mudge,
You'll soon get the feeling in the flare. That was my main hang-up during primary--on the day that I expected to solo, I dropped one in from so high that I knocked the whiskey compass off it's mount!! My instructor decided that more practice might be recommended and we worked the pattern for the rest of the day. Fortunately, I didn't kill us or break the airplane and I was able to solo on the following day with no difficulty. Never had one that hard since!
Scott
You'll soon get the feeling in the flare. That was my main hang-up during primary--on the day that I expected to solo, I dropped one in from so high that I knocked the whiskey compass off it's mount!! My instructor decided that more practice might be recommended and we worked the pattern for the rest of the day. Fortunately, I didn't kill us or break the airplane and I was able to solo on the following day with no difficulty. Never had one that hard since!
Scott
Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:07 am
Mudge -
Last night, I accomplished my 1,923rd landing (the 162nd at night) and I absolutely SLAMMED it on the ground! I misjudged the flare and dropped it in so firm that I probably bounced 10 feet back up in the air and nearly had to take it around. My WSO laughed all the way taxiing back to the chocks.
Point: Flying is still the second greatest thrill known to man and landing is still the first, regardless of your experience level.
Keep it up!
Last night, I accomplished my 1,923rd landing (the 162nd at night) and I absolutely SLAMMED it on the ground! I misjudged the flare and dropped it in so firm that I probably bounced 10 feet back up in the air and nearly had to take it around. My WSO laughed all the way taxiing back to the chocks.
Point: Flying is still the second greatest thrill known to man and landing is still the first, regardless of your experience level.
Keep it up!
Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:32 am
Mudge, I know the feeling...
One newbie to another..
My story is, I already soled. I am a bad@ss. First time alllllll alllone after the solo, with the ole 172r, no instructor, no nothing. Very weird. I got waved off by the tower and was told to cross on the right of the runway. There was a slow starter on the runway. Second time in, I'm cool, set her down and she bounced, and then she bounced, and then she bounced. It scared the sh1t outta me. I was shaking. I pulled off onto the parallel. It had to be a fluke. It had to be a tailwind or something. It spooked me, bad.
Soooo.... I lined up and went again. Bad idea. Way bad idea. Ehhhh, it was a fluke, I'll do better next time, yeah, better...
Short final..hit the numbers, and BOUNCE! okkkkkkk, down and BOUNCE, I'm still on the centerline, barely, and BOUNCE, now I PANIC! Look down at the airspeed indicator(mistake)......50+ knots and running out of runway (2400 feet) I hit the power for a second and pull it off realizing I am f*cked. I aint going to go up. Last bounce baby. At about 15 feet up, and about 3 or 4 yards in front of the last turnout, one second till the berm, the plane stops flying. BAMMMMMMMM!
uuuuggghhh,I wanna barf. I turned out, stopped. The tower had to ask me twice what I was going to do. "Taxi back to november row" was all I could come up with. I parked. I called my instructor. I was in a bad way. I was shaking bad. The only thing he had to say was, "Why did you go again?". He was pissed off.
I went home. Dude, I haven't had the shakes so bad since I been on the boat. 4, 5 hours, at least.
Next saturday. Short final, instructor on board. I realized what I was doing, heee, after the instructor yelled at me "WTF????" I was getting the numbers, and that was it...period. I was crossing the berm at 75 knots. Try landing a 172r at 75 knots. Not looking at anything else. It probably ain't gonna happen. I take that back, It won't happen.
A little remedial instruction cured the no look bad speed thing.
Moral of the story, if it feels bad, it is bad. And, stick the speed baby. Every freakin time.
One newbie to another..
My story is, I already soled. I am a bad@ss. First time alllllll alllone after the solo, with the ole 172r, no instructor, no nothing. Very weird. I got waved off by the tower and was told to cross on the right of the runway. There was a slow starter on the runway. Second time in, I'm cool, set her down and she bounced, and then she bounced, and then she bounced. It scared the sh1t outta me. I was shaking. I pulled off onto the parallel. It had to be a fluke. It had to be a tailwind or something. It spooked me, bad.
Soooo.... I lined up and went again. Bad idea. Way bad idea. Ehhhh, it was a fluke, I'll do better next time, yeah, better...
Short final..hit the numbers, and BOUNCE! okkkkkkk, down and BOUNCE, I'm still on the centerline, barely, and BOUNCE, now I PANIC! Look down at the airspeed indicator(mistake)......50+ knots and running out of runway (2400 feet) I hit the power for a second and pull it off realizing I am f*cked. I aint going to go up. Last bounce baby. At about 15 feet up, and about 3 or 4 yards in front of the last turnout, one second till the berm, the plane stops flying. BAMMMMMMMM!
uuuuggghhh,I wanna barf. I turned out, stopped. The tower had to ask me twice what I was going to do. "Taxi back to november row" was all I could come up with. I parked. I called my instructor. I was in a bad way. I was shaking bad. The only thing he had to say was, "Why did you go again?". He was pissed off.
I went home. Dude, I haven't had the shakes so bad since I been on the boat. 4, 5 hours, at least.
Next saturday. Short final, instructor on board. I realized what I was doing, heee, after the instructor yelled at me "WTF????" I was getting the numbers, and that was it...period. I was crossing the berm at 75 knots. Try landing a 172r at 75 knots. Not looking at anything else. It probably ain't gonna happen. I take that back, It won't happen.
A little remedial instruction cured the no look bad speed thing.
Moral of the story, if it feels bad, it is bad. And, stick the speed baby. Every freakin time.