"Lady Be Good" part on eBay
Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:44 am
"THIS CANNON PLUG WAS REMOVED FROM THE B-24 " LADY BE GOOD " THAT LAY LOST IN THE LIBYAN DESSERT IN APRIL 1943 AND WAS FOUND SOME 20 YEARS LATER. THERE IS A WONDERFUL STORY ABOUT THIS CONSOLIDATED B-24D ON THE INTERNET. "
http://cgi.ebay.com/CANNON-PLUG-FROM-B- ... dZViewItem
....I would submit the story of Lady Be Good is anything but "wonderful." But the thing that really gets under my skin, aside from the fact that someone is attempting to profit from this horrible tragedy, is how the seller states "THIS NEEDS A GOOD HOME , PLEASE." yet the starting bid is $7,000! I can't help but to wonder how the 9 men who lost their lives in the desert would feel about this....
http://cgi.ebay.com/CANNON-PLUG-FROM-B- ... dZViewItem
....I would submit the story of Lady Be Good is anything but "wonderful." But the thing that really gets under my skin, aside from the fact that someone is attempting to profit from this horrible tragedy, is how the seller states "THIS NEEDS A GOOD HOME , PLEASE." yet the starting bid is $7,000! I can't help but to wonder how the 9 men who lost their lives in the desert would feel about this....
Value for Money
Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:49 am
wow thats great value for money for a non-descript cannon plug of questionable parentage.
I particularly like the fact you dont have to make any payments for 3 months!
I have a bucket of sand as a matched set for this item, and can provide a zoomed in print with the particular sand circled for authenticity.
I am asking $7,000 for this bucket of sand and will throw the bucket in for free.
I have a number of buckets full of similar sand and can meet an unlimited demand for these authentic buckets of sand.
Dont miss out, buy one today, why not buy two and give one for a friend??
(ideal fathers day present)
for an extra $7000 I will autograph and certify each bucket as being genuine sand.
For those interested I am also selling house lots on the moon, and naming rights to stars, - all reasonable offers accepted, all payments by paypal!
step right up, dont be stampled in the rush!
smiles
Mark Pilkington
I particularly like the fact you dont have to make any payments for 3 months!
I have a bucket of sand as a matched set for this item, and can provide a zoomed in print with the particular sand circled for authenticity.
I am asking $7,000 for this bucket of sand and will throw the bucket in for free.
I have a number of buckets full of similar sand and can meet an unlimited demand for these authentic buckets of sand.
Dont miss out, buy one today, why not buy two and give one for a friend??
(ideal fathers day present)
for an extra $7000 I will autograph and certify each bucket as being genuine sand.
For those interested I am also selling house lots on the moon, and naming rights to stars, - all reasonable offers accepted, all payments by paypal!
step right up, dont be stampled in the rush!
smiles
Mark Pilkington
Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:32 am
A crazy and unrealistic price. I doubt that it will sell.
My uncle landed along side the 'Lady' back in the the early 1960's. He was then the CO at RAF El Adem. A couple of years or so back he gave me a little poppet valve he un-screwed from one of the engines. It is still absolutely pristine.
They have now recovered the 'Lady' to a storage area in Tobruk and I am hoping to see it in March as we have a little battle-field tour organised, with my old regiment, through Libya to Egypt.
PeterA
One of his rather splendid shots:-
My uncle landed along side the 'Lady' back in the the early 1960's. He was then the CO at RAF El Adem. A couple of years or so back he gave me a little poppet valve he un-screwed from one of the engines. It is still absolutely pristine.
They have now recovered the 'Lady' to a storage area in Tobruk and I am hoping to see it in March as we have a little battle-field tour organised, with my old regiment, through Libya to Egypt.
PeterA
One of his rather splendid shots:-
Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:49 am
Mark,
Sign me up for one of those Moon lots!!
Do you take Visa?
Peter, great shot! Thank you. You wouldn't want to share any more, would ya?
Dave
Sign me up for one of those Moon lots!!
Do you take Visa?
Peter, great shot! Thank you. You wouldn't want to share any more, would ya?
Dave
Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:53 am
Great shot, Peter!
Looks like she was still substantially complete when your dad visited. From what I've seen, by the time the wreck was recovered, it had been pretty much picked clean by souvenier hunters.
Do you have any more pics, particularly of the right side of the nose? Historians have long debated whether the name was ever actually painted on the "Lady."
Cheers!
Steve
Looks like she was still substantially complete when your dad visited. From what I've seen, by the time the wreck was recovered, it had been pretty much picked clean by souvenier hunters.
Do you have any more pics, particularly of the right side of the nose? Historians have long debated whether the name was ever actually painted on the "Lady."
Cheers!
Steve
Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:03 am
Yet one more scam on ebay...why am I not surprised. 
John
John
Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:54 am
Steve Nelson wrote:Great shot, Peter!
Looks like she was still substantially complete when your dad visited. From what I've seen, by the time the wreck was recovered, it had been pretty much picked clean by souvenir hunters.
Do you have any more pics, particularly of the right side of the nose? Historians have long debated whether the name was ever actually painted on the "Lady."
Cheers!
Steve
Steve,
Well actually not my dad, but my uncle.
I think I still have the press cutting somewhere of 1958 when they found the 'Lady'. I was just finishing my intermediate education.
My uncle would have visited some four or five years later. It became a rendezvous and supply point for UK 'special services' training in the area, pre Col.Gadhafi.
I think we can put to rest this 'Historical debate' on whether the name was catually painted on the the side of the aircraft.
I have turned the wick on the contrast control to bring the word '**** ** good' to prominence.
PeterA
Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:10 am
Lovely photos Peter... many thanks for posting!
With regards to the cretin who's selling a canon plug, supposedly pulled from Lady B Good, it seems incredulous that anyone could think that something so anonimous could fetch more than a couple of dollars. Even if it were something more remarkable, like cockpit controls, I cannot imagine that the item would sell for any unusual amount unless there was absolute provenance of its historical identity.
On another note, I don't suppose you noticed that he has the same item listed four or five times, along with several listings for the same jet engine which apparently was once on Elvis Pressley's Convair 880... He wants $65,000 for that piece of junk!
Uhhh... such people belong in gaol.
Richard
With regards to the cretin who's selling a canon plug, supposedly pulled from Lady B Good, it seems incredulous that anyone could think that something so anonimous could fetch more than a couple of dollars. Even if it were something more remarkable, like cockpit controls, I cannot imagine that the item would sell for any unusual amount unless there was absolute provenance of its historical identity.
On another note, I don't suppose you noticed that he has the same item listed four or five times, along with several listings for the same jet engine which apparently was once on Elvis Pressley's Convair 880... He wants $65,000 for that piece of junk!
Uhhh... such people belong in gaol.
Richard
Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:50 pm
I had heard of some tlak that there is a chance the Lady Be Good will be coming home to the U.S> soon. THis is just talk, but I heard that the NMUSAF has something to do with it.
Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:12 pm
So what's a cannon plug?
plug
Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:27 pm
A cannon plug is a type of electrical connector; I dn't know where the "cannon" part of the name comes from. Having the plane on display would be fascinating if morbid, I wonder how the families feel?
Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:35 pm
mustangdriver wrote:I had heard of some tlak that there is a chance the Lady Be Good will be coming home to the U.S> soon. THis is just talk, but I heard that the NMUSAF has something to do with it.
From Gary Larkin's Air Pirates website http://www.airpirates.com
Air Pirates wrote:B-24 Liberator "LADY BE GOOD"
Negotiations are underway for the return of B-24 "Lady Be Good" and her restoration.
Shay
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Semper Fortis
Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:21 pm
Well actually not my dad, but my uncle.
Oops...sorry, should have read more carefully.
Thanks for that pic showing the name..that's by far the best one I've ever seen of that side of the plane!
I wouldn't mind seeing the Lady returned to the U.S., but as for restoration..from the pics I've seen of the wreck in storage at Tobruk, she's too far gone for this to be practical. Even a static restoration would end up being basically a new airplane with a handful of original parts (which would destroy her historical value.) I think they should just display her "as is" as a memorial to the crew.
Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:54 pm
Cannon is a brand name of quick disconnect electrical connector used to connect electrical wiring harnesses between each other and to other components.fotobass wrote:So what's a cannon plug?
http://www.ittcannon.com/company/company.asp
IMHO, the "Lady Be Good" is the ONLY plane that should be displayed in its "as recovered" condition.
Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:11 pm
Ok, I'm going to play the Devil's Advocate 
here.
If this were actually a piece of the Lady, is it so bad for somebody to sell it? I think we all are pretty vocal about bringing crashed aircraft out of New Guinea to be restored to flying. All of us feel that if there were crew on board, that the proper authorities should be notified & the crew returned to their respective countries for proper burial.
While some of us feel that the plane should be left at the sight as a memorial to the crew or as a wargrave, I believe the majority of us feel that after the crew has been removed that the plane could and probably should be recovered and restored as a living memorial to the crew. There is also the practice of using the data plate from crashed planes (even ones with fatalities) as a basis for a restoration (Dean's P-51 for example).
So why should someone be condemned for selling a piece of a plane that crashed with fatalities? For someone who is a Lady Be Good fanatic, who cares about fate of the crew and the history of the incident this would be a once in a lifetime chance. There doesn't have to be anything ghoulish or disrespectful about someone who is truly interested in an event in history to want to own a piece of it.
Warhawks Inc is restoring an SB2C-5 Helldiver that was involved in a fatal crash. Should all work stop on it?
Just my 2 cents.
Mac
here.
If this were actually a piece of the Lady, is it so bad for somebody to sell it? I think we all are pretty vocal about bringing crashed aircraft out of New Guinea to be restored to flying. All of us feel that if there were crew on board, that the proper authorities should be notified & the crew returned to their respective countries for proper burial.
While some of us feel that the plane should be left at the sight as a memorial to the crew or as a wargrave, I believe the majority of us feel that after the crew has been removed that the plane could and probably should be recovered and restored as a living memorial to the crew. There is also the practice of using the data plate from crashed planes (even ones with fatalities) as a basis for a restoration (Dean's P-51 for example).
So why should someone be condemned for selling a piece of a plane that crashed with fatalities? For someone who is a Lady Be Good fanatic, who cares about fate of the crew and the history of the incident this would be a once in a lifetime chance. There doesn't have to be anything ghoulish or disrespectful about someone who is truly interested in an event in history to want to own a piece of it.
Warhawks Inc is restoring an SB2C-5 Helldiver that was involved in a fatal crash. Should all work stop on it?
Just my 2 cents.
Mac