Reilly's FW-190

[Tom Crawford]

What happened to the FW-190 being restored at Flying Tigers back in 2001?

[Chuck Gardner]

http://www.white1foundation.org/
It belongs to Mark Timken and is down the street from us in Kissimmee. It is a fantastic restoration with an original engine.

[APG85]

Are there no actively flying FW-190's out there?

[JDK]

Are there no actively flying FW-190's out there?

No. There's a full size German built reproduction with a Russian engine (IIRC) but there's not a single genuine German built W.W.II fighter or bomber of any type flying. I think there's a few trainers and Storche, but that's it.

[Mike]

........there's not a single genuine German built W.W.II fighter or bomber of any type flying.

There's a Colchester-built one out there somewhere though..........

[Matt Gunsch]

The E model that used to be in Santa Monica is a original, and it flies with the new owner in Canada.

[Mike]

The E model that used to be in Santa Monica is a original, and it flies with the new owner in Canada.

See my post above. It's about as original as any aeroplane can be that started off as a pair of undercarriage legs and a bit of mangled wreckage dug out of a sand dune on a beach 40 years after crashing there. Very nice, but not really an original, German-built airframe. Unlike Black Six, but that's another story altogether.

[Beachy]

Addendum to Chuck's post about Mark Timken's FW-190:
If you're in the Kissimmee area, stop by for a look-see. It's a great project, and they're doing a fabulously meticulous job of it........

[mennie]

The Vormezeele Collection is "restoring" a Dora with a FlugWerk and some original parts. Their collection is at Brasschaat in Belgium.

[AndyG]

The E model that used to be in Santa Monica is a original, and it flies with the new owner in Canada.

See my post above. It's about as original as any aeroplane can be that started off as a pair of undercarriage legs and a bit of mangled wreckage dug out of a sand dune on a beach 40 years after crashing there. Very nice, but not really an original, German-built airframe. Unlike Black Six, but that's another story altogether.

As I recall from the detailed coverage in WWW over the years, I believe that this E was a very complete and relatively undamaged, not crashed example which formed the basis of the re-build. Certainly not dug out of the sand dunes. How much of this returned to the air is subject to the usual discussions.

IIRC there is a Spitfire subject of a current re-build to fly which was dug out of the shoreline in Normandy. How much of that beyond a data plate returns to the skies would be interesting to note.

[JohnS]

The Vormezeele Collection is "restoring" a Dora with a FlugWerk and some original parts. Their collection is at Brasschaat in Belgium.

Sorry to hijack this thread but since you mention the Vormezeele Collection, do you have any information about the Spitfire Mk.XVI TD135 that has been mentioned in connection with them.

Thanks,

John

[AndyG]

Are there no actively flying FW-190's out there?

No. There's a full size German built reproduction with a Russian engine (IIRC) but there's not a single genuine German built W.W.II fighter or bomber of any type flying. I think there's a few trainers and Storche, but that's it.

Adding to James note regarding the Flug Werk examples being reproductions.

It should be noted that these are very fine quality reproductions which are as faithfull to the original construction and systems as was possible within the premise that they had to make certain firewall fwd compromises WRT to no genuine original BMW engines being available in quantity and other German legislative compromises such that no armourments should ever be able to be fitted. I understand that there is a casting within the wing which had to have a central web conduit for a cannon deleted in order to satisfy this requirement. A more accurate casting could of course be fitted outside Germany.

If you compared a genuine original with a complete Flug Werk example side by side both structurally internally and externally it would be very difficult to be critical at all of the Flug Werk example. They sound very nice and look fantastic in the air.

[DaveM2]

The Russell E model (w.nr.3579) could be described as 'all there' although it had been run over with a bulldozer by the Russians, and suffered further damage when recovered. Of course nearly all structure and skins had to be replaced to make it flyable.
Mike is thinking of the FHC example that was recovered from the French beach (wk.nr.1342) and consisted of a burnt out remains, part of a wing and an undercarriage leg (which bore the identity)

Dave

[AndyG]

The Russell E model (w.nr.3579) could be described as 'all there' although it had been run over with a bulldozer by the Russians, and suffered further damage when recovered. Of course nearly all structure and skins had to be replaced to make it flyable.
Mike is thinking of the FHC example that was recovered from the French beach (wk.nr.1342) and consisted of a burnt out remains, part of a wing and an undercarriage leg (which bore the identity)

Dave

I may be getting confused with another E example which was in Craig Charlstons workshop that certainly looked complete and on its gear prior to the restoration? Anyone have any pics of the Russel model pre-restoration?

[RickH]

Wasn't it discovered that one or more of the Casa airframes were actually German built ? I know that at least one of the JU-52s fell into that category .