Well, I guess now we know the identity of the WSO holding the rubber fist in the photo below........
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| Author: | michaelharadon [ Wed May 20, 2009 12:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Would you want him in your back seat? |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aubrey-sa ... 05553.html What's the big deal? Is it really in the country's best interest to not let him serve? |
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| Author: | Dan Johnson II [ Wed May 20, 2009 1:28 am ] |
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It's never been about best interest, it's about special interests. And yeah it's a stupid decision. Who cares. let him fly. |
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| Author: | SuperGuppy [ Wed May 20, 2009 2:05 am ] |
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Well, I guess now we know the identity of the WSO holding the rubber fist in the photo below........
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| Author: | Fouga23 [ Wed May 20, 2009 3:36 am ] |
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SuperGuppy wrote: Well, I guess now we know the identity of the WSO holding the rubber fist in the photo below........
lol 
Who cares if he's gay or not. That doesn't mean anything for his skills! Back off and let the guy fly! |
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| Author: | tom d. friedman [ Wed May 20, 2009 6:45 am ] |
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i agree, he should serve with honor & respect. but the media does what it does best..... trashes the victim, so sorry to say it's probably a moot cause. |
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| Author: | skydaddy61 [ Wed May 20, 2009 8:08 am ] |
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As a civilian, I'm inclined to let the military decide how best to establish and maintain military order and discipline. |
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| Author: | michaelharadon [ Wed May 20, 2009 10:00 am ] |
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skydaddy61 wrote: As a civilian, I'm inclined to let the military decide how best to establish and maintain military order and discipline.
Civilian direction was necessary to integrate the military in the '40's, bringing the services more into line with changes in society. |
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| Author: | skydaddy61 [ Wed May 20, 2009 10:37 am ] |
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michaelharadon wrote: skydaddy61 wrote: As a civilian, I'm inclined to let the military decide how best to establish and maintain military order and discipline. Civilian direction was necessary to integrate the military in the '40's, bringing the services more into line with changes in society. Check your timeline, Mike - the racial integration of the services *preceded* civilian desegregation by a couple of decades. Military society is not civilian society. It's a different world. It's not my world (the USAF didn't want a four-eyed, flatfooted asthmatic), but I know many current and retired service personnel. I respect their judgements about what works - and what doesn't - in their world. |
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| Author: | A2C [ Wed May 20, 2009 12:57 pm ] |
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The rules in the military are clear, homosexuals are not allowed to serve. |
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| Author: | skydaddy61 [ Wed May 20, 2009 1:08 pm ] |
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A2C wrote: The rules in the military are clear, homosexuals are not allowed to serve.
No, they can serve under current policy; they just can't openly disclose their orientation. |
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| Author: | Fouga23 [ Wed May 20, 2009 1:25 pm ] |
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skydaddy61 wrote: A2C wrote: The rules in the military are clear, homosexuals are not allowed to serve. No, they can serve under current policy; they just can't openly disclose their orientation. It's a step forward, but I hope they change the rules very soon. It started with African Americans in the AAF. They were black so they couldn't fly, right? Higher ups described them as cowardly and lacking intelligence. Then it was women. Surely women in the military can't be? Would you want a female in combat with you? Now both African Americans and women have served with distinction in the military for years and have proven they are equal. Now we have a guy that has proven himself multiple times in combat, teaches the new generation their first steps and he's threatened to be thrown out of the military because they found out he's gay? Does that make him not qualified to serve? I don't think he would've made Lt. Col if he didn't have what it takes! |
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| Author: | Randy Haskin [ Wed May 20, 2009 1:59 pm ] |
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Well, I've flown with him. And I'd fly with him again. I think that the vast majority of professional warriors I fly with don't give a rat's ass about your gender, color, or sexual orientation so long as you can be skilled and disciplined while you kill bad guys and protect good ones. BTW, the rubber fist in the photo posted earlier in this thread is sort of a squadron in-joke. When fighter units deploy out to Las Vegas for Red Flag and the many other exercises that take place out there, they frequently spend their off time partaking in all kinds of off-the-wall partying. One activity that is a regular fighter squadron social activity is called a 'road rally'. The road rally is basically a competitive scavenger hunt that takes place over a wide geographic area (the Las Vegas Valley, for instance) and frequently includes stops at locations or required events that are generally rather embarassing; get a female blackjack dealer's panties at the Sahara; get a photo of your squadron patch with a naked stripper, etc. The fist was simply a required pick-up from the Adult Superstore out there during a road rally several years ago. |
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| Author: | jet1 [ Wed May 20, 2009 2:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | MEH.... |
I don't care what you do in your personal life...just don't shove it down my throat.... 
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| Author: | skydaddy61 [ Wed May 20, 2009 2:11 pm ] |
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Randy Haskin wrote: Well, I've flown with him.
And I'd fly with him again. And there's the voice of experience; the only one that really matters. BTW, thank you for your service, sir. |
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| Author: | muddyboots [ Wed May 20, 2009 4:30 pm ] |
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Randy Haskin wrote: Well, I've flown with him.
And I'd fly with him again. I think that the vast majority of professional warriors I fly with don't give a rat's ass about your gender, color, or sexual orientation so long as you can be skilled and disciplined while you kill bad guys and protect good ones. I have to agree. It's a vocal extreme minority who do you kiss your mother with that mouth? things up by being the sugar they are, and our military lets em get away with it out of fear that they're somehow more needed than the rest of us. I say screw the homophobes. A gay man serving is no more disruptive than a woman serving. And the same rules should apply. I have served with gay grunts, and never had a single problem from any of them. The only people who still make this an issue are people we can do without. |
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