Thanks, but how is this an air racing, aerobatics or general aviation story? Do we need a commercial airliner crash category to satisfy everyone?
BTW, Roger Cain has some poignant photos he took of the wreckage on Facebook.
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| Author: | bdk [ Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | B777 accident at SFO July 6, 2013 |
Looks like a landing accident at about 11:30 am local time, seems to be lots of survivors, perhaps no fatalities. Eyewitness reports indicate aircraft may have been avoiding a B747 on the runway. Tail broke off, aircraft may have cartwheeled. |
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| Author: | jtramo [ Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: B777 accident at SFO July 6, 2013 |
Was waaaaay to low, initiated an aggressive go around pitch and the mains/tail struck the rock wall of the SF bay. Tail broke off...still short of the actual runway. This is the second hand story from a friend of a friend holding short of the opposite runway. |
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| Author: | jtramo [ Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: B777 accident at SFO July 6, 2013 |
http://avherald.com/h?article=464ef64f&opt=0 |
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| Author: | K5DH [ Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: B777 accident at SFO July 6, 2013 |
Just saw photos and video on TV. Asiana Airlines, non-stop flight from Seoul to San Francisco, approximately 10 hours 23 minutes en route. TV report said 307 souls on board, 2 confirmed dead, 60+ taken to area hospitals (type and extent of injuries not disclosed), and about 60 unaccounted for (not sure exactly what that means, could mean a lot of things, I'm not reading anything into it at this point). Aircraft did not cartwheel. It looked like the gear collapsed and it slid to a stop almost straight ahead. She wound up just off the right side of the runway. Pics from above showed both horizontals and the vertical laying on the runway short of the displaced threshold, along with a lot of smaller debris and possibly parts of the main landing gear. Fuselage looked to be complete from the aft pressure bulkhead forward. Much of the passenger cabin burned out after the crash, but the crash itself looked to be very survivable. So many souls, yet so few were taken. The Lord was with them, no doubt. |
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| Author: | CAPFlyer [ Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: B777 accident at SFO July 6, 2013 |
We are very lucky that so few perished. Just as a bit of history, this is the 4th landing accident/incident Asiana since 1990. Previously had an A321 tailstrike on landing in 2009 due to the FO continuing to command pitch after flaring resulting in a hard landing, and a 767 had its keel broken when a crew landed hard and slammed the nose down on landing at Seoul in 1992. They also lost a 737 in 1993 when it hit a ridge on the 3rd approach into Mokpo, South Korea in poor weather. I've also heard people say that the ILS for 28L was out of service (i.e. it would make them on a manual approach), however all the NOTAMs on the FAA site show an in effect date of today (130707) or tomorrow (130708) and I can't find anything showing for certain that it was down. |
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| Author: | bdk [ Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: B777 accident at SFO July 6, 2013 |
The debris field on the runway threshold really tells a story. So fortunate that all souls weren't lost. Hopefully the flight crew can shed some light on what happened, assuming they aren't in CYA mode. The flight originated in Shanghai. Some engineers from my wife's company took that exact same flight last Wednesday. |
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| Author: | Liberator [ Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: B777 accident at SFO July 6, 2013 |
Sad to hear of the crash. Just curious as what point has the Boeing civil airliner 777 become a ex military or military warbird?. Last time i checked it isnt even a "military aircraft" so why is it here? |
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| Author: | CAPFlyer [ Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: B777 accident at SFO July 6, 2013 |
Because it's a major aviaton news story. The MODS wll move it if/when they deem it appropriate. Let them do ther jobs and just stay out of a thread if you aren't interested in it. |
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| Author: | WIXMOD-Charlie [ Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: B777 accident at SFO July 6, 2013 |
Major aviation story or not. It's not about warbirds. Topic moved. |
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| Author: | bdk [ Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: B777 accident at SFO July 6, 2013 |
Thanks, but how is this an air racing, aerobatics or general aviation story? Do we need a commercial airliner crash category to satisfy everyone? BTW, Roger Cain has some poignant photos he took of the wreckage on Facebook. |
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| Author: | WallyB [ Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: B777 accident at SFO July 6, 2013 |
bdk wrote: Do we need a commercial airliner crash category to satisfy everyone? I've said it before, but I do think a separate all-types accident ("crash") forum would be useful. Those threads tend to go on and on with informed and otherwise inputs and usually end up in acrimony. 
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| Author: | Scott Rose [ Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: B777 accident at SFO July 6, 2013 |
bdk wrote: Thanks, but how is this an air racing, aerobatics or general aviation story? Do we need a commercial airliner crash category to satisfy everyone? BTW, Roger Cain has some poignant photos he took of the wreckage on Facebook. Hiya, It falls within the general aviation category. |
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| Author: | Rod Schneider [ Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: B777 accident at SFO July 6, 2013 |
Just watched an NTSB news conference. The PRELIMINARY readout of the flight data and voice recorders seems to indicate that the crew got too low and too slow on approach. No sign of any mechanical issues with the plane......... |
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| Author: | Noha307 [ Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: B777 accident at SFO July 6, 2013 |
What I don't understand is how the engine on the right-hand side of the aircraft ended up forward of the wing. When I heard that witnesses said the plane "cartwheeled" (read: rotated horizontally) it seemed like a good explanation of how that happened. I also figured that the outboard bent section of the right wing would have corresponded to it touching the ground to start the spinning motion. k5dh wrote: Fuselage looked to be complete from the aft pressure bulkhead forward. I noticed that the aircraft separated at the aft pressure bulkhead as well. k5dh wrote: Aircraft did not cartwheel. According to the video accompanying this CNN news article, it appears to me as though it did "cartwheel" - only not in the end-over-end sense I think most people would imagine, but rather in the flat spin/ground loop sense. There is a very interesting picture for anyone who hasn't seen it. Apparently the photographer must have spun around and snapped a picture about 30 seconds after he evacuated the aircraft. Here is a link to the Twitter post: https://twitter.com/Eunner/status/353592664526028801. (Note the crease in the fuselage just aft of the second door above the forward wing root.) They were indeed lucky. I hope the best for everyone involved. |
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| Author: | Rod Schneider [ Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: B777 accident at SFO July 6, 2013 |
Yup, the CNN video does show that the fuselage and wings did spin around nearly 360 degrees. It's amazing that there weren't more casualties.... |
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