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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K4QHpVXtxI

This is in the "I couldn't hear the tower warning me that my gear was up because of that darned horn in my ear . . ." category. They seem to be doing an awful lot of yacking base to final – not a sterile environment. Apparently, this guy was on a commercial check ride in this video. I wish it didn't end so soon I'm dying to know what they said afterward!
Not as good as the P-51 landing video with the crazy woman, but still.

Hi Skybolt!

I wonder why the camera dude didn't say anything when he looked down and saw nothing? Ohhh well...

Here is my new favorite GA airplane video,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCOqA01NSN8

Heheeeee, I know it's mean, and I know that dude is stupid for doing that, but, I love that one

Maybe we can start a new thread called "Stupid 172 Tricks"

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Okay, that truly was stupid. You all heard about the guy who recently tried to roll his Baron and killed himself and his passengers. I think this guy is lucky

Rolling a Baron is no problem, if your Bob Hoover. But for the rest of us its just stupid to even atempt.

I was suprised that the first flim clip with gear up landing, that the pilots did not svear.

a day late & a dollar short

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tom d. friedman - hey!!! those fokkers were messerschmitts!! * without ammunition, the usaf would be just another flying club!!! * better to have piece of mind than piece of tail!!

I feel sorry for those guys, but at least no injuries. When I turn in, I try to first focus on the gear final check. One reason I prefer non tower airports is so you don't have someone yammering in your headset while flying. I also try to brief my passenger to be a back up check for me that the gear is down, in case I forget. One very proper English lady said to me in all seriousness, "Young man, do you forget it often?"

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What is the big deal about rolling a Baron?

I'm sure the young lady will be endeared to aviation for the rest of her life... She will be the one afraid to have the airport near her house because all general aviation pilots are reckless!

No big deal I suppose, except it isn't an aerobatic category aircraft and if you don't have the training and ability to do it you wind up like this guy and his 4 dead friends . . . Trying to perform aerobatics without training, in a non-aerobatic aircraft is dumb.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_i ... 0463&key=1
NTSB Identification: ATL07FA077.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Records Management Division
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Sunday, April 22, 2007 in Hamilton, GA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 8/30/2007
Aircraft: Beech 58, registration: N5647C
Injuries: 5 Fatal.

The accident pilot had recently returned from an airshow, and had shared with his pilot associates that he thought he could roll his personal airplane. He had previously attempted to roll the airplane, but a pilot-rated passenger stopped the accident pilot from completing the aerobatic roll. On the accident flight, a ground witness, who is also a pilot, heard the accident airplane, and thought it sounded like the pilot was doing aerobatic maneuvers. He heard the engine noise continue to increase, and saw the airplane descending very fast, in a 45 to 60 degree nose down attitude. The witness then saw a portion of the airplane break away prior to impact. Postaccident inspection of the airplane by the NTSB investigator-in-charge and the NTSB Materials Laboratory, disclosed evidence of pilot-induced overload failures of the tail and wings. The accident pilot's airplane was not designed or approved for aerobatic flight.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
The pilot's exceeding the design stress limits of the airplane while performing aerobatics in a nonaerobatic airplane, which resulted in an in-flight overload failure of the airframe. A factor in the accident was the pilot's decision to perform aerobatics.

here's your problem.



some redneck idiot with too much money and not enough brain killed three friends (I assume a couple of girlfriends and a buddy) because he couldn't get the idea of rolling airplanes out of his head. His parents (and those of the folks he murdered) would have been better served by bashing his brains out on a tree trunk the day he was born.

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Good judgement is one of the most important facets of flying. I agree, he exercsized bad judgement. I won't fly with just anyone anymore. I guess as a passenger I can exercise my judgement as well.

Me too. Although sometimes it is awfully hard to come up with a reason that won't offend someone.

Airport acquaintance: "Hey, wanna go for a ride with me in my Whizzbang 2000?"

Me (Remembering who works on the airplane and what I happened to notice the last time I saw it with panels off.): "Uh, can't. Looks like I'm gonna have to spend all day sanding and painting that set of chocks over there."

And the true answer: I will not fly in that poorly maintained machine. Not until it goes through about 3 annuals with a GOOD IA, as opposed to that blind fella you've been using.

that's nothing...... my best friend was the #1 faa air traffic controller at cleveland for many years up to his retirement in 2002. he was slated to retire 2 weeks after the 9/11 attack, they revoked his retirement & he had to stay another year. he plotted the airspace for cleveland sports events, the cleveland air show, etc, when any president came to cleveland he worked on the airspace with the secret service / military. anyway..... a few years back he had to go to chicago for an faa award. i asked him why he was driving the 6 hours instead of a 1 hour flight, & he said i know 1st hand what goes on in the air & in the tower, i'm driving unless i'm at the controls of the plane. my buddy also relates that many currently new air traffic controllers don't even have their pilot's license.

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tom d. friedman - hey!!! those fokkers were messerschmitts!! * without ammunition, the usaf would be just another flying club!!! * better to have piece of mind than piece of tail!!

When was that ever a requirement? Do you expect that? I think that very few controllers do. I've known a number of them over the years at Chino (which is a training tower) and I can't remember one.

honestly..... i would expect that, i wouldn't want anybody to have lives in their hands without proper credentials. a typical drivers education teacher at least has that.

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tom d. friedman - hey!!! those fokkers were messerschmitts!! * without ammunition, the usaf would be just another flying club!!! * better to have piece of mind than piece of tail!!

While they don't actually have a ticket, they have to complete a written equivalent of the Commercial exam, so they are knowledgeable about most of the same things that we have to know in the cockpit.

BTW, the comparison of a Driver's Ed teacher and ATC is Apples and Oranges. In Aviation, the Driver's Ed teacher is your instructor. The proper comparison would be that ATC is like the traffic engineer or traffic manager at the local or state transportation office. While they may have a driver's license, they're not required to for the job, they only have to know the relevant rules and specifications that pertain to their part of the puzzle.