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 Post subject: Maple Leaf II?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:22 pm 
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Hey all, I'm hoping someone out there in WIX land has a file going on this one, or can at least point me in the right direction. I'm looking to build a static model of the Can-Car Maple Leaf II in 1/12 to 1/18th scale but I have nothing in the way of scale drawings. Do any exist? The plane gets a bit of coverage in most of the Canadian aviation history books but I have yet to find anything other than photos.
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Even Ares 2 (Mexican version) stuff would be helpful.

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 Post subject: Re: Maple Leaf II?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:51 pm 
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Hi Tiger Tim,

all I can suggest is getting in touch with somebody at the Canada Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa.

I would certainly suggest calling them directly as I presume it would get you the quickest response compared to e-mail.

Their general number is: 613-993-2010 or 1-800-463-2038 (toll free) and general e-mail is: aviation@technomuses.ca

To contact their Library/Archives the number is: 613-993-2303 and e-mail is: aviation.info@technomuses.ca

If they can't help you at all I'm sure they can point you in the right direction. Perhaps the National Archives could help.

In any case, good luck with your project.

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 Post subject: Re: Maple Leaf II?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:08 pm 
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Thanks David. I just heard back a week or so ago from the guy who literally wrote the book on this plane and he said he included nearly every scrap of information he could find when he published the book and still hasn't seen drawings after 40 years of (possibly casual) searching. Apparently even the colour of the airplane isn't known for sure. Looking at the bibliography it appears only Canadian sources were used.

I think the next place to look into may be in the US as Columbia Aircraft is said to have bought the M.L. II prototype, a couple uncompleted 'kits,' jigs, drawings, spares, and so on. Sometime after that the whole works went to Mexico where ten or so modified examples were built, then things get a little muddy.

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 Post subject: Re: Maple Leaf II?
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The Maple Leaf Trainer II was a Canadian biplane trainer designed by Elsie MacGill in 1938 and manufactured by the Canadian Car and Foundry. Although it was intended for use as a basic trainer for the Royal Canadian Air Force, it was rejected and the only two completed airframes were sold to Mexico.Design and development

In 1937, Canadian Car and Foundry had obtained rights to a training aircraft designed by Leland Stamford Wallace known as the "Wallace Trainer." The nearly-complete project was a conventional biplane with two open cockpits, powered by a Kinner B-5 engine. Featuring welded steel-tube fuselage, ailerons and tail with a wing structure utilizing spruce spars and ribs, the entire aircraft was fabric covered, except for aluminium panelled cockpit and engine areas. Canadian Car and Foundry renamed the project the Maple Leaf I.
Once the Maple Leaf I was completed, it was tested in 1938 with the Nicaraguan identification GN-3, with the anticipation of an order for ten to twelve production models. The preliminary flight test results were not positive and the project was wound up in 1939, citing unsatisfactory performance.
In 1938, the new Chief Designer Elsie McGill began work on the Maple Leaf II, which, except for the use of the fin and rudder from the earlier aircraft, was a new design. A conventional structure based on welded steel tube fuselage and steel-tube tail, aluminium alloy ribs with wooden wings was employed. Designed around British design requirements for strength, the Maple Leaf II was intended to be fully aerobatic. In order to expedite development and to ensure no interruption in the ongoing Hawker Hurricane production lines, a number of components were "farmed out" to sub-contractors.

Operational history

The Maple Leaf II prototype was ready for flight testing in October 1939; one of the unusual aspects of the program was that the designer accompanied company Sales Manager O.C.S. Wallace who acted as a test pilot on the first flight, 31 October 1939. Tests indicated excellent results with stable and docile flight characteristics, however, the RCAF test pilots felt that a basic trainer had to be more challenging.
After evaluation by the RCAF and the Department of Transport in 1940, the Maple Leaf II was exported to Mexico via Port Washington on Long Island, USA. Along with the finished prototype, two semi-complete airframes with blueprints, jigs, tools and all accessories were sold to the Mexican Air Force school (EMA). One of the "kit" aircraft was assembled and flown as the Ares 2. It differed slightly from the Maple Leaf II in having enlarged vertical tail surfaces and an uncowled engine.
In total, 10 units were built in Mexico during 1940, are were equipped with the Warner Super Scarab 165 hp engine.

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 Post subject: Re: Maple Leaf II?
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HMmm... Tricky. I suppose a good place to look would be Mexico. Thing is, Mexico and its government does not operate the same way it does in Canada, and other western countries.

With some Spanish lessons you many be able to get a hold of the Museum of Technology in Mexico City.

Here's a link to the only site I could find:

http://www.aviationmuseum.eu/World/Lati ... /MUTEC.htm

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