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RyanShort1 wrote:

I guess beauty is as beauty does - and it might be easier for some pilots to land that thing, but you'd have to convince them to buy it first!

Ryan

It's 1937. You are a vain wealthy pilot. You bought a new $12,000 (depression dollars remember) gorgeous Waco Custom cabin (tailwheeler of course) and because you are better at making money than piloting, you promptly crash your investment in a horrific groundloop. All the sudden you can see past the third wheel on the front...you can now put aside your vanity and bruised ego and actually fly a cabin class airplane.

You would be amazed (but shouldn't be) how often that scenario occured. Often, N buyers were previous Waco owners/pilots who had a "record". Waco smartly responded to their clientele. They are a wonderful flying (and landing) aircraft.

Author:	wacoykc [ Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:30 pm ]
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Scanning some photos for my book so I thought I would post a few here: AVN-7 PROTOTYPE NC17731 AVN-8 NC231E ZVN-8 NC1937S AVN-8 NC17 CAA AIRPLANE ZVN-8 VT-AKI SIR DONALD FIELD JODPHUR, INDIA AVN-8 NC2278 COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA ZVN-8 NC19399 ERICKSON & REMMERT BROOKLYN, NY AVN-8 NC2276 TWA AIRLINES AVN-8 NC19387 H. G. HILLS SAN FRANCISCO, CA

Author:	Roger Cain [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:47 am ]
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Thanks for posting all the pictures, but nose wheeled biplanes just don't look right................

Author:	Obergrafeter [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:19 am ]
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We have a candidate for ugliest airplane contest.

Author:	Kyleb [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:11 am ]
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What a horrible thing to do to a beautiful airplane...

Author:	visaliaaviation [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:48 am ]
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An AVN-8 sat for years outside at Ried's Hillview in San Jose, CA early/mid 1960's. Never saw it fly . IIRC, it was sort of looked down on by the AAAer's. Kind of how a wartime Stearman or UPF-7 was viewed at the time. Times change and I would love to fly either Waco today. You can still keep the PT-17's!

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Author:	Eric Presten [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:02 pm ]
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I am including the type in my next book as well. Any idea of the exact date the prototype tri-gear Cabin Custom was first test flown?

Author:	N3Njeff [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:10 pm ]
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visaliaaviation wrote: You can still keep the PT-17's! Charles I dont like them either. I do like the tri-waco, I was refering to charles comment on not liking the PT-17..............I wonder why

Author:	b29flteng [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:42 pm ]
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Butt ugly.

Author:	RyanShort1 [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:48 pm ]
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I guess beauty is as beauty does - and it might be easier for some pilots to land that thing, but you'd have to convince them to buy it first! Ryan

Author:	Wheels up [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:37 pm ]
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RyanShort1 wrote: I guess beauty is as beauty does - and it might be easier for some pilots to land that thing, but you'd have to convince them to buy it first! Ryan It's 1937. You are a vain wealthy pilot. You bought a new $12,000 (depression dollars remember) gorgeous Waco Custom cabin (tailwheeler of course) and because you are better at making money than piloting, you promptly crash your investment in a horrific groundloop. All the sudden you can see past the third wheel on the front...you can now put aside your vanity and bruised ego and actually fly a cabin class airplane. You would be amazed (but shouldn't be) how often that scenario occured. Often, N buyers were previous Waco owners/pilots who had a "record". Waco smartly responded to their clientele. They are a wonderful flying (and landing) aircraft.

Author:	wacoykc [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:17 pm ]
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Go get 'em WHEELSUP. Looks like you and I are the only ones who think they are cool.....and probably the only ones who have actually been in one!

Author:	steve dickey [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:18 pm ]
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Isn't one of those flyable still? I think there neat

Author:	RyanShort1 [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:46 pm ]
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Wheels up wrote: RyanShort1 wrote: I guess beauty is as beauty does - and it might be easier for some pilots to land that thing, but you'd have to convince them to buy it first! Ryan It's 1937. You are a vain wealthy pilot. You bought a new $12,000 (depression dollars remember) gorgeous Waco Custom cabin (tailwheeler of course) and because you are better at making money than piloting, you promptly crash your investment in a horrific groundloop. All the sudden you can see past the third wheel on the front...you can now put aside your vanity and bruised ego and actually fly a cabin class airplane. You would be amazed (but shouldn't be) how often that scenario occured. Often, N buyers were previous Waco owners/pilots who had a "record". Waco smartly responded to their clientele. They are a wonderful flying (and landing) aircraft. Well, having groundlooped before I CAN see and sympathize with that view, but on the other hand, I think I'd do what I did when that happened. Get a bit more training and experience and conquer the thing... Wonder if it was rich doctors buying them back then, too... Ryan

Author:	Obergrafeter [ Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:15 pm ]
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Training wheels for doctors and lawyers.

Author:	wacoykc [ Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:19 am ]
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Considering that an AVN-8 in 1937-38 cost $11,375 (15 sold) and a ZVN-8 was $10,695 (6 sold) I can say that not your average guy owned one. As in most of the Custom Cabins sold, they were doctors, lawyers, and well-to-do businessmen. Many of these were the Learjet/Citation/G-4's of the day.

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