Vintage Aircraft Resource Center

Scott Rose · **Posted:** Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:18 pm

We are contemplating creating a Vintage Aircraft Resource Center that would cover civil aircraft from 1903-1960 or so. This will include a registry of aircraft that are still around and those that no longer exsist. This is a long term project and we will be looking for help with this as it progresses. Pictures and data are welcome as usual. The first step would be to create a list of aircraft you all think should be covered. For that respond to this topic and we will start compilling a list. Also, and pictures or data can be sent to vintage@REMOVEwarbirdsresourcegroup.org (delete the REMOVE before sending)

this is not my area of knowledge so I need your assistance, the intention is to turn this over to an assistant editor once we get started.

Let me know your opinions.

Roger Cain · **Posted:** Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:02 pm

Scott,

God bless your heart, You know your opening a can of worms? I've been sorting through pictures of these for 30+ years, and your headed into madness. Soooooooooooo, heres my beginners list, in no particular order, but earlier to later dates

Curtiss Jenny & Robin
Brunner Winkler Bird
Travel Air
Curtiss Wright
Great Lakes
Parks
Pitcairn
Stearman
Laird
Monocoupe
Spartan
Howard
Funk
Meyers (OTW)
Boeing (model 75 Stearmans)
Ryan
Porterfield
Interstate
Rearwin
Waco
Fleet
Fairchild
Call Air
Ford Trimotor
Stinson
Beech
Bellanca
Aeronca
Pietenpol
Luscombe
Taylor
Taylorcraft
Piper
Culver
Mooney
Lockheed
Globe/Temco Swift
Cessna
Erco (all versions)
Navion
Navion
Timm

These are just a few of the major American manufacturers on my album covers, not including early airliners. Juptners has a nine volume book series on these, and for a closer look at types, take a look at this website, that barely has room for a picture of each model/type: http://www.aerofiles.com/aircraft.html

I'm in no way discouraging you, but you'll almost need one person per type, if you plan to post pictures...............

Scott Rose · **Posted:** Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:38 pm

Roger Cain wrote:

Scott,

God bless your heart, You know your opening a can of worms? I've been sorting through pictures of these for 30+ years, and your headed into madness. Soooooooooooo, heres my beginners list, in no particular order, but earlier to later dates

If not us then who? If not now then when?

It is a daunting task, but if I sat down and thought about creating the Registry I would have thought it to be an impossibility, but look at it now! We shall start small and with help it will grow to be a primary resource for this genre of aircraft. We will focus on the smaller, lesser know types and move on from there!

Onward! Onward my merry band of whackos!

Roger Cain · **Posted:** Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:01 pm

Carry on then, I've got plenty on the SAH website under my name, that your welcome to use............

C170BDan · **Posted:** Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:40 pm

Scott WRG Editor wrote:

If not us then who? If not now then when?

It is a daunting task, but if I sat down and thought about creating the Registry I would have thought it to be an impossibility, but look at it now! We shall start small and with help it will grow to be a primary resource for this genre of aircraft. We will focus on the smaller, lesser know types and move on from there!

Onward! Onward my merry band of whackos!

I am in, Scott. I offer my limited computer skills and overwhelming enthusiasm for vintage aircraft! Sent you a PM as well.

bdk · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am **Posts:** 11319

Please, I beg you not to let this new endeavor dilute the continuing progress of the Warbirds Registry! After all this is the WIX, not the AIX. Now if someone were to volunteer to take this on without detriment to the Warbirds Registry I am all for it.

Scott Rose · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:10 am

bdk wrote:

Please, I beg you not to let this new endeavor dilute the continuing progress of the Warbirds Registry! After all this is the WIX, not the AIX. Now if someone were to volunteer to take this on without detriment to the Warbirds Registry I am all for it.

Fear not B, I am looking to make this more of an independant project with the bulk of the work being done by others. I already have somebody in mind to run it and Dan has volunteered to help out. Once it gets going I will basically play overseer and thats about it (hopefully). My two primary goals this year are to maintain and expand the registry as well as update the Luftwaffe Center and the USAAF Resource Center. The Vietnam Center will be opening soon but I have some help with that. Also, the Korean Aviation Resource Center will be created dealing with the Korean conflict (or police action) aviation. Things are going to be expanding all over this year!

k5083 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:46 am

Scott,

I think this is a great idea, much needed, and the WRC is a great springboard for a new VRC. I only hope it will lead to a VIX forum as vital and lively as the WIX forum. I don't know if I can commit much editing time, as I have my own impossible project in scanning and sharing the Kamm Collection. But I have many thousands of photos that I can potentially supply.

Some decisions would need to be made re. which examples of a type to include in the Registry. I.e. in the WR, you list all warbirds that have appeared on the civil register at any time (among others). With antiques that would basically mean listing every airplane ever built. Perhaps they should be listed only if they survived to some arbitrary date, e.g. 1975, or whatever. One idea might be to start with the ones that are currently on various countries' civil registers and then sort of work backward through museum inventories, older publications like Hunt's V&VA, etc. to catch others that were registered in the past or otherwise preserved.

As far as a list of types, a in the 1980s somebody published a book called the "Vintage Airplane Catalogue" that was basically the then-current U.S. civil register filtered for airplanes of a certain age (it included warbirds as well as antiques), sorted, and published as a book. A little while ago I decided to look into doing sort of an update of that, and I got as far as downloading the entire U.S. civil register, filtering it (my criterion was that I kept all types of which at least one example was listed as having a construction date up to 1950, retaining all aircraft of those types regardless of construction date, except I imposed a date cutoff for a few long-running types like the Bonanza) and beginning the sorting and formatting. The list of types that resulted from that process, with the warbirds removed and a little cleaning up done, follows this message. At least one example of each of the following types was on the USCR as of a few months ago. There are, of course, other types in museums for which there is no example still registered. I have done this exercise also with the Canadian civil register and would like to do it with the UK's, but the UK charge$ for the download of that.

You might be interested to know that my current working spreadsheet, which includes all registered warbirds and WWI replicas but is mainly antiques, lists over 63,000 airplanes.

August

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Adcox Student Prince
Aerocar
Aeromarine-Klemm L-26
Aeronca C-2
Aeronca C-3
Aeronca CF
Aeronca K
Aeronca L
Aeronca T
Aeronca TL
Aeronca Model 7 Champ
Aeronca Model 11
Aeronca Model 15
Aeronca Model 50
Aeronca Model 60
Aeronca Model 65
Aetna Aerocraft
Air Race ARC Special
Aircraft Engineering Ace
Aircraft Manufacturing Texas Bullet
Aircraft Mechanics Eaglerock
Airutility AU18
Albrecht Helicar
All American Model 10A
Alliance Argo
Allied Model 2
American Airplane Pilgrim
American Eagle A-1
American Eagle Eaglet
American Eagle Model 101
American Eagle Model 129
American Eagle Model 201
American Eagle Model 430
American Eagle Model 540
Anderson AND-51
Arrow Aircraft Arrow Sport
Arrow Model F
Ashley SP-5
Auster
Avro 594 Avian
Avro 643 Cadet
Baker McMillen Cadet
Bay Aviation Super V
Bee Aviation Honey Bee
Beech 17 Staggerwing
Beech 18
Beech 35 Bonanza
Beech 50 Twin Bonanza
Bellanca Model 14 Cruisair/Cruisemaster
Bellanca Model 27 Aircruiser
Bellanca Model 31/CH Pacemaker
Bellow Flex CC
Benson B8M
Boeing Model 40
Boeing Model 204
Boeing Model 247
Boeing Model 307 Stratoliner
Boeing Model 367
Boeing Model 377 Stratocruiser
Bourdon Kitty Hawk
Bowlus BA-100
Brown
Brunner-Winkle Bird
Bucher Special
Bucker Bu 131 Jungmann
Bucker Bu 133 Jungmeister
Bucker Bu 181
Budd RB-1
Buhl CA-3
Buhl Pup LA-1
Butler Black Hawk
Callair
Camair
Carpenter
Casey
Caudron C-635
Centaur 101 Longren L-13
Centrair 101
Cessna AW
Cessna C-34 Airmaster
Cessna C-37 Airmaster
Cessna C-38 Airmaster
Cessna C-145 Airmaster
Cessna C-165 Airmaster
Cessna 120
Cessna 140
Cessna 170
Cessna 180
Cessna 190
Cessna 195, LC-126
Cessna 310
Cessna Skymaster
Champaign Public Schools Goeppingen Wolf
Chester Special
Coffman Ranger
Command-Aire C-3
Consolidated 21
Corben Baby Ace
Craig Aircar
Crossley Moonbeam
Crown City Robertson
Crump
Culver LCA, TD-2 Cadet
Culver V
Cumulus 2F
Cunningham-Hall PT-6
Curtiss 19
Curtiss CW-1 and replicas
Curtiss Fledgling
Curtiss GCW-1
Curtiss JN-4 Jenny, JN-4C Canuck, and replicas
Curtiss Oriole
Curtiss Robin
Curtiss Sedan 15-D
Curtiss T-32 Condor
Dart
Davis
de Havilland D.H. 104 Dove
de Havilland D.H. 114 Heron
de Havilland D.H. 60 Moth
de Havilland D.H. 71
de Havilland D.H. 80 Puss Moth
de Havilland D.H. 82 Tiger Moth
de Havilland D.H. 83 Fox Moth
de Havilland D.H. 84 Dragon
de Havilland D.H.87 Hornet Moth
de Havilland D.H. 88 Comet replicas
de Havilland D.H. 89 Dragon Rapide
de Havilland D.H. 90 Dragonfly
de Havilland D.H. 94 Moth Minor
de Havilland Comet (jet airliner)
de Havilland Canada DHC-2 Beaver
de Havilland Canada DHC-3 Otter
Denny I
Dewoitine D.26
Dixon Special
Douglas M-2
Douglas DC-2
Douglas DC-3
Douglas DC-4, Canadair DC-4M
Doyle O-2
Driggs
Duramold
Eaglerock
Earl Popular
Easley
Eaton
Eichman
Elmendorf
Emigh
Ercoupe
Fairchild FC-2
Fairchild KR-21
Fairchild KR-31
Fairchild KR-34
Fairchild Model 22
Fairchild Model 24
Fairchild Model 42
Fairchild Model 45
Fairchild Model 71
Federal C-3605
Flagg F-13
Fleet Model 1
Fleet Model 2
Fleet Model 7
Fleet Model 8
Fleet Model 9
Fleet Model 10
Fleet Model 11
Fleet Model 16 Finch
Fleetwings
Focke-Wulf Kranich
Fokker C-4
Ford Trimotor
Ford Flivver replicas
Francis-Angell
Frankfort
Franklin
Frenard
Funk
Garber
Gavin
General Aircraft
Geuther
Globe/Temco Swift
Golden Eagle
Granville Gee Bee replicas
Great Lakes 2T
Grumman G-21 Goose
Grumman G-44 Widgeon
Grumman G-73 Mallard
Grunau
Hamilton Metalplane
Hammond
Hannaford-Rose
Harlow
Hartmann
Haufe Dale
Hayden & Clark
Heath
Helmerichs
Horton
Howard Ike and replicas
Howard DGA-3
Howard DGA-4
Howard DGA-6 replicas
Howard DGA-8
Howard DGA-9
Howard DGA-11
Howard DGA-15
Howard DGA-18
Huff
Ikrus
Inland
Interstate
Jamieson
Johnson Rocket
Kadiak KC-2
Kaiser F5
Kaman
Kellett
Kensinger
Keystone
Kinner
Klemm
Knight Twister
Kramme & Zeuthen
Kreider-Reisner
Kursawe
Laird
Laister-Kauffman
Lark
Lawrence Tech
Levier
Lincoln
Lincoln Page
Lockheed Vega
Lockheed Orion
Lockheed Model 10
Lockheed Model 12
Lockheed Model 14
Lockheed Model 18
Lockheed Model x49 Constellation
Long
Loose
Luscombe Phantom
Luscombe Model 4
Luscombe Model 8
Luscombe Model 11
Luton Minor
MacManiman
Marchetti S-56
McClish Funk
Mercury
Meyers OTW
Meyers MAC-145
Midwest
MIgnet Easton
Miller Special
Miller UT-1
Miller Y-1S
Millercraft
Minx
Monocoupe 70
Monocoupe 90
Monocoupe 110
Monocoupe 113
Monocoupe 145
Monocoupe Other Models
Mooney M-18 Mite
Morane-Saulnier 130
Morane-Saulnier 181
Morane-Saulnier 230
Moswey
Navion
Nay
Nelson
New Standard D-25
New Standard D-29
New Standard D-30
Nicholas Beazley
Noorduyn Norseman
Nord SV-4 Stampe
Northrop Delta
Olympia
Overland
Paramount
Parks
Parks P2A
Pasped Skylark
Peterson
Pheasant
Phillips
Pietenpol
Pietenpol Air Camper
Pilatus
Piper J-2
Piper J-3 Cub
Piper J-4 Cub Coupe
Piper J-5 Cub Cruiser
Piper PA-11 Cub Special
Piper PA-12 Super Cruiser
Piper PA-14 Family Cruiser
Piper PA-15 Vagabond
Piper PA-16 Clipper
Piper PA-17 Vagabond
Piper PT-1
Piper TG-8
Pitcairn
Platt LePage
Porterfield CP-40
Porterfield CP-50
Porterfield CP-55
Porterfield Model 35
Porterfield Model 65
Porterfield Model 75
Post
Pratt Read
Ralston
Rand
Rawdon
Rearwin-Commonwealth 175
Rearwin-Commonwealth 180
Rearwin-Commonwealth 185 Skyranger
Rearwin-Commonwealth 190
Rearwin-Commonwealth 2000
Rearwin-Commonwealth 6000
Rearwin-Commonwealth 7000
Rearwin-Commonwealth 8090
Rearwin-Commonwealth 8125
Rearwin-Commonwealth 8135
Rearwin-Commonwealth 8500
Rearwin-Commonwealth 9000
Republic RC-3
Rider
Riley
Rose
Ryan M-1, M-2
Ryan NYP replicas
Ryan B-1, B-5, B-7 Brougham
Ryan SCW
Ryan ST
Saint Louis
Scandinavian
Schleicher
Schweizer
Scott
Security National
Shannon & Buente
Sikorsky S-38
Sikorsky S-39
Sikorsky S-43
Simplex
Sioux
Sky Craft
Skylark
Slingsby
Slower-Reinhardt
Smoe
Spartan C2
Spartan C3
Spartan Model 12
Spartan Model 7
Spartan NP
Sport-Flugzeugbau
Standard J-1
Star Cavalier
State Securities Arrow F
Stearman 4-C
Stearman 4CM
Stearman 4D
Stearman 4E
Stearman 6C
Stearman 6L
Stearman Alpha 4-A
Stearman Ariel A-1
Stearman C2-A
Stearman C3
Stearman M-2
Stearman Model 70
Stearman Model B
Steimmetz
Stephens
Stinson 105, HW75
Stinson JR
Stinson Model A
Stinson Model W
Stinson SM
Stinson SR Reliant, AT-19, V-77, UC-81
Stinson Model 10
Stinson Model 108 Voyager
Strange
Strat
Swallow
Swenson
Taylor E-2 Cub
Taylorcraft B-2
Taylorcraft FA Continental
Taylorcraft H-2
Taylorcraft Model 19
Taylorcraft Model A
Taylorcraft Model BC
Taylorcraft Model BF
Taylorcraft Model BL
Taylorcraft Model DC
Taylorcraft Model DF
Taylorcraft TG-6
Teicher
Temco D-16 Twin Navion
Thalman
Thorp
Timm
Trager T-3
Travel Air 2000
Travel Air 3000
Travel Air 4000
Travel Air 5000
Travel Air 6000
Travel Air 9000
Travel Air Model 10
Travel Air Model 12
Travel Air Model 14
Travel Air Model 16
Travel Air Model 4
Travel Air Model 6
Travel Air Model A
Travel Air Model R
Travel Air Mystery Ship
Trella
U.S. Flying Services
University of Minnesota UMG-3
Viking Kitty Hawk
Volmer
Vultee V-1A
Waco 10
Waco 125
Waco 220
Waco 4
Waco 9
Waco AGC-8, EGC-8, ZGC-8
Waco ARE, SRE, HRE
Waco ASO, BSO, PSO
Waco ATO, CTO
Waco AVN-8
Waco CJC
Waco CPF-1
Waco CRG
Waco CUC
Waco DJC-6
Waco DQC-6, EQC-6, YQC-6, ZQC-6
Waco EGC-7
Waco ENF, INF, KNF, RNF
Waco GXE
Waco IBA, PBA, RBA, UBA
Waco JWM
Waco JYM
Waco PBF, UBF
Waco PCF, QCF
Waco PLA, ULA
Waco QCF-2
Waco QDC
Waco RPT
Waco S3HD
Waco UBF-2
Waco UEC
Waco UIC
Waco UKC, YKC
Waco UKS-6, VKS-6, YKS-6
Waco UKS-7, VKS-7, YKS-7
Waco UMF, YMF and replicas
Waco UMF-5, YMF-5 and replicas
Waco UPF-7, VPF-7, YPF-7, ZPF-7
Waco YMF-3
Waco YOC
Waco YPF-6
Waco ZVN-8
Wallace
Warsztaty
Wedell-Williams
Welch
Whittman
Wilcox
Williams
Williams-Harold
Wilson Special
Winstead
Wittman
Wood
Zlin

Scott Rose · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:11 pm

I guess we probably won't finish by December

One way I deal with this with the Warbird Registry is by only adding aircraft I have pictures of, we might have to start that way and work on getting a general listing of each type and time and labor permits.

Daunting, isn't it?

C170BDan · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:42 pm

Scott WRG Editor wrote:

:shock:

I guess we probably won't finish by December

One way I deal with this with the Warbird Registry is by only adding aircraft I have pictures of, we might have to start that way and work on getting a general listing of each type and time and labor permits.

Daunting, isn't it?

And I was just thinking a few of these types! :shock:

Looks like August and Roger just gave us a good jump start on the type list!

December will be the goal we just wont say what year!

Mike · **Joined:** Tue May 04, 2004 8:54 am **Posts:** 3328

Shame on you Roger, for missing one of my personal favourites off the list - the Alexander Eaglerock.

See you at Moffett in a couple of weeks?

global111 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:48 pm

C170BDan wrote:

Scott WRG Editor wrote:

If not us then who? If not now then when?

It is a daunting task, but if I sat down and thought about creating the Registry I would have thought it to be an impossibility, but look at it now! We shall start small and with help it will grow to be a primary resource for this genre of aircraft. We will focus on the smaller, lesser know types and move on from there!

Onward! Onward my merry band of whackos!

I am in, Scott. I offer my limited computer skills and overwhelming enthusiasm for vintage aircraft! Sent you a PM as well.

I'll help with the web design if you wish, one of my favourite things, apart from Vintage Aircraft

RyanShort1 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:19 pm

Is there a way to set this up so that people could enter the data via the web, and the webmaster approve or disapprove the "post" to the registry with a button click? That'd save some work.

Ryan

dj51d · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:33 pm

RyanShort1 wrote:

Is there a way to set this up so that people could enter the data via the web, and the webmaster approve or disapprove the "post" to the registry with a button click? That'd save some work.

Ryan

I've been kicking that idea around in my head for a while. The trick is finding the time to work on such a system.

k5083 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:10 pm

RyanShort1 wrote:

Is there a way to set this up so that people could enter the data via the web, and the webmaster approve or disapprove the "post" to the registry with a button click? That'd save some work.

Yes, I've been thinking of that, and the most obvious method would be a wiki based system (wikipedia being the best-known implementation). With wiki, users -- any users, even visitors with no account -- just enter, modify and update content and it has immediate effect, but the webmaster can monitor and change it back. You would think it would get abused by users but it seems to work fairly well. I know nothing about programming such a system but considering how participatory the vintage airplane community is and how many people have useful knowledge, it's very intriguing.

August

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