Warbird Information Exchange

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed on this site are the responsibility of the poster and do not reflect the views of the management.
It is currently Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:37 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Classic Wings Magazine Luftwaffe Resource Center WWII Naval Aviation Research Pacific
Final Cut-The Post War B-17 Flying Fortress and Survivors - 5th Edition


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:25 am 
Offline
Long Time Member
Long Time Member

Joined: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:48 pm
Posts: 5761
I flew into this airport once and didn't really know much about it's history.

(Kastrup) Denmark, Copenhagen Airport, complete with concrete runways, terminals and hangars, opened in 1925 and by the 1930s was Northern Europe's largest airport. A new Functionalist-style terminal designed by Vilhelm Lauritzen was built in the years 1936-39. The German Luftwaffe had used Kastrup during the early years of the war. After the war, Denmark, Norway and Sweden formed the passenger airline Scandinavian Airlines. International air traffic was increasing rapidly, and in 1955, Scandinavian Airlines was looking to acquire jet carriers. The airline decided to extend the airport site and build a second terminal, which opened in 1960. In 1998, a third terminal opened, this time connected with a railway station, the Copenhagen Metro and a hotel.

Some Wiki history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_Airport

"Danish historians have for years thought that Kastrup Airport was one of six major Luftwaffe airfields in Denmark, which was the target of a planned Allied bombing on April 2, 1945. The bombing was very close to taking place and 708 heavy bombers were Shipped from UK bases. The disaster was only rescued by an unfavorable weather forecast. A bombing of Kastrup would probably have caused a large number of killed civilians. The power that was sent to Denmark was greater than the Americans sent to Dresden two days later.

However, new archive studies show that Kastrup, as assumed, was not among the six aerodromes. Instead, Beldringe was on Funen.

The truth has emerged in connection with an updated version of a 1988 book. The newly-edited and updated edition is called Bomber across Denmark - about Western Allied Air Attacks during World War II, and is written by, among other things, Henrik Skov Kristensen."

Photos from the Danish Freedom Museum archives

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Below the RAF spent some time there as well during the war or right after.

Image

Image

Image

Image

And below a few of the Luftwaffe visitors.

Image

Image

Image

Image

Below the airport in 1950 and more recently.

Image

Image

_________________
"Two things are infinite: the Universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the Universe" ... Albert Einstein

Disclaimer: All photos posted will be omitted from thread a couple of weeks after posting.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:33 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:52 am
Posts: 1421
Location: Newport News, VA
What an outstanding collection!!! Great finds, Mark!

Lynn


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:26 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!

Joined: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:40 pm
Posts: 1170
Those are awesome Mark, thanks for that!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:54 am 
Offline
Flight Lieutenant

Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:12 am
Posts: 147
[quote="Mark Allen M"]

And below a few of the Luftwaffe visitors.

Image

What model of the Heinkel HE-111 is this? What engines? I see that the Chinese re-engined a HE-111A with Wright Cyclones, but this ain't China...

C2j


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:25 am 
Offline
Flight Lieutenant

Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:12 am
Posts: 147
Thanks to Scott (aka Second Air Force), this has been identified as an HE-111 G-3 CE + NX of FFS(B)34 Blindflugschule (Blind Flying School) at Kastrup in 1944.

Image

Who would believe that by 1944 the Luftwaffe was so desperate that they were training blind pilots!

C2j


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:03 pm 
Offline
3000+ Post Club
3000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:02 am
Posts: 3703
Location: Northbrook, IL
Mark Allen M wrote:
Image

Image


B-17F-50-VE 42-6174.
Hmm. This is interesting - most of the others in this serial block seem to have been stateside trainers. From Baugher:
Joe Baugher wrote:
(42-)6174 condemned salvage from enemy action Oct 25, 1945


From Osborne:
Dave Osborne wrote:
42-6174 Del Long Beach 13/8/43 w/Joe Heard; Cheyenne 15/8/43; Ass 422BS/305BG [JJ-K] Chelveston 7/11/43 HOME-SICK ANGEL; 858BS/492BG Alconbury (Carpetbagger Ops) 26/6/44. STRIPPED FOR ACTION aka SWING SHIFT.


The photos bring that last part into question. Anyone have the record card for 42-6174?

_________________
Image
All right, Mister Dorfmann, start pullin'!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:23 am 
Offline
2000+ Post Club
2000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:10 pm
Posts: 2831
Location: New York
Marvelous pictures! A lot to study there.

August

_________________
Image
http://aircraft-in-focus.com/


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:02 am 
Offline
Group Captain
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:48 pm
Posts: 526
Location: West Valley, Silicon Valley
Mark Allen M wrote:
Image

And nobody kept any Tempest :?(or Typhoon ;) )

_________________
remember the Oogahonk!
old school enthusiast of Civiltary Warbirds


Last edited by Lon Moer on Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:04 pm 
Offline
Squadron Leader
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:20 pm
Posts: 183
They are Typhoons.

_________________
When I was young "sex was safe & flying was dangerous".


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:47 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Sat May 08, 2004 2:59 pm
Posts: 1591
Location: Safford, Az
Anybody know the group the Mustang is from?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:06 pm 
Offline
Group Captain

Joined: Fri May 21, 2004 11:31 am
Posts: 357
Location: A pool in Palm Springs
Mark,

Really great pictures...Some info I had to share...

Fairchild UC-61K Argus III 43-14996 made it to the French registry as F-BENR and was owned by the Aero Club Du Dahomey, Cotonou. Deregistered in 1971....a survivor now?

B-29A 44-61679 was the first B-29 in England/Europe, and is listed as "reclaimed" during June of 1948...and you may miss it, but hiding in her shadow in Piper L-4J 44-80522 still wearing her squadron markings! She may have stayed in Denmark after the show for she was registered OY-POL during 1946. Leading a long and happy life as Cub's do, she is listed last as being crashed at Fyn, Denmark on 17 August 1974 after which she disappears..

B-17F 42-6174 is hugely interesting with flat black bottom and blue cowlings...After 29 missions as a bomber she was stripped down to no turrets, a ball turret bailout well and the rest, she was a "Special Forces" B-17. An "operator" for Operation Carpetbagger was the resupply effort to Maquis and French Underground operators in occupied Europe/France. Note the remnants of blacked out windows...so many unknowns about those missions and planes!

C-47 43-16024 is an odd one in that she isn't supposed to be there. She is listed as destroyed in February....in the Pacific. Clearly thats her, but it points out the shortcomings of what we do. A shame her codes for her group are covered. https://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/ ... 16204.html

The Waco glider is something in that wide view shot...cant read the serial, and the silver plane looks like a PT-23-with no engine! What is that one?

The C-45 went to the Italian Air Force on 25 January 1949 as MM61683

P-61B-15-NO serial 42-39734 was c/n 1253. accepted 28.2.45 to Newark 13.3.45, to 417 NFS 5.4.45 storage on the Ninth of November 1946 and stricken 19.11.47.

P-51D-15-NA serial 44-15606 was with the 55th Fighter Group 38th Fighter squadron and flown by 2ndLt. Lawrence E. Beckett. The plane was named "Eve"...however Baugher states..."(78th FG, 83d FS, "Miss Debbie") Mechanical Failure, pilot bailed out East of Great Yarmouth, but killed. MACR 11859" Note the removal of the armor plate for a second seat.

B-24M-10-FO 44-50726 went to RFC Walnut Ridge, Ark Jan 9, 1946

B-26G-25-MA 44-68120 left no other trace as far as I know besides that picture....however a beautiful shot of a nearly extinct aircraft, the late model combat proven B-26 Marauder.

Spitfire XIV RM693 was EB-S with 41 Squadron, before going to 416 Squadron on 20 Sept. She was struck 19 July 1946, still a very young and lethal airplane. A beauty.

The rare Heinkel 111 and the Ju-88 with the predictive nose art of a blindfolded cow with the sillouette of France on the side is brilliant. Also the Ju-86 between the Ju-52's is so cool, a rare one.

More on the Heinkel and her fate... http://lae.blogg.se/2017/november/heink ... -1944.html

Great post Mark..


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:32 pm 
Offline
Flight Lieutenant

Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:12 am
Posts: 147
Joe Scheil wrote:
More on the Heinkel and her fate... http://lae.blogg.se/2017/november/heink ... -1944.html

Great post Mark..


Just what one would expect when training blind pilots...


C2j


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:59 pm 
Offline
Long Time Member
Long Time Member

Joined: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:48 pm
Posts: 5761
as always my pleasure and thx Joe for the great history lesson. Really interesting stuff indeed. I'll post several more photos from this series as it looks like there's some interest.

M

_________________
"Two things are infinite: the Universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the Universe" ... Albert Einstein

Disclaimer: All photos posted will be omitted from thread a couple of weeks after posting.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:32 pm 
Offline
Long Time Member
Long Time Member

Joined: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:48 pm
Posts: 5761
Here's the link to the archives. A lot of very interesting photos. Those interested can highlight and copy the information below the photo(s) and paste it into 'Google translate' to read it in English.

http://samlinger.natmus.dk/search?q=Kas ... ber%201945

https://translate.google.com/

_________________
"Two things are infinite: the Universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the Universe" ... Albert Einstein

Disclaimer: All photos posted will be omitted from thread a couple of weeks after posting.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:34 am 
Offline
Group Captain

Joined: Fri May 21, 2004 11:31 am
Posts: 357
Location: A pool in Palm Springs
Mark, Thanks for the link...Seems there was a poor Bv-138 offshore in the strike photo....for the burning. We actually have her today, the ONE survivor of the whole thread!

Isn't it strange, but true, that the best airplanes are generally never the ones that survive for preservation. Its the forgotten discarded and dumped that become the raw material for "restorations". An oddly backward way when you take it in total...

"No complete BV 138s remain in existence. However, the wreck of one aircraft, sunk after the war in a British air show, was raised from the seabed of the Øresund Sound in 2000, and is on display at the Danish Technical Museum in Helsingør."

And Mark could you post the B-26 pic?


Attachments:
Bv-138.jpg
Bv-138.jpg [ 163.18 KiB | Viewed 301 times ]
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], McCollum11, rc38pilot and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group