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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:42 am 
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The World War II blimp hangar currently houses both the Erickson vintage aircraft collection and aircraft on loan to the Port of Tillamook from the US Navy.

I wonder what'll happen to the F-14 and a couple of other Navy aircraft that are there? Can't fly the Tomcat out and taking her apart to truck out might be too expensive.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:22 am 
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p51 wrote:
I wonder what'll happen to the F-14 and a couple of other Navy aircraft that are there? Can't fly the Tomcat out and taking her apart to truck out might be too expensive.

Oh, I can guarantee you that it will leave on a truck one way or another, regardless of expense.


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Apparently no one @ Tillamook heard the words 'location-location-location' because Madras is two blocks past the sticks, and well off the side road to the beaten path.


Not sure what Madras looks like but this sounds like a great location. Hopefully that means there are less non-aviation people out there to bitch about something.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:03 am 
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Chappie wrote:
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Apparently no one @ Tillamook heard the words 'location-location-location' because Madras is two blocks past the sticks, and well off the side road to the beaten path.


Not sure what Madras looks like but this sounds like a great location. Hopefully that means there are less non-aviation people out there to bitch about something.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:27 am 
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Chappie wrote:
Not sure what Madras looks like...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:56 am 
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WallyB wrote:
Chappie wrote:
Not sure what Madras looks like...

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Being from a rural area, that's one beautiful place to house and fly a collection of warbirds. Man that is a gorgeous area.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:47 pm 
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There's one guy who hates airplane noise that lives about 1/2 mile north of the approach end of Runway 16 at Madras.Fortunately,he has a distinctive house that we try to avoid when we fly the DC-7s from Madras.There are also several homes about the same distance from the approach end of Runway 34,but they haven't complained,so far.The runway at Madras is about 5100 feet long,but only 75 feet wide with soft earth on the end of rwy 34,so touching down short isn't an option,but we can't afford to leave too much unused runway behind us while landing.The museum airplanes shouldn't have any problems and Erickson Aero Tanker has landed an MD-87 in Madras with no problem.All of that said,Madras Airport is a very pleasant and quiet rural location with mostly friendly and helpful people.It's much more relaxed experience operating from Madras than doing so from Redmond.The only real complaint being the relatively short and narrow runway for DC-7 operations.

Butler Aircraft sold their air tanker division to Erickson Aero Tanker last year.The changeover took place in November.I'm expected by Aero Tanker to continue flying T62 on the State of Oregon contract in Medford,but I'm not entirely sure that I want to do so.The changeover has been nothing but trouble for me and for the other ex-Butler employees,so far.As a part time employee,I lost my health care coverage as of November 1st and I'm none too enthusiastic about starting over with a new company after working for TBM Inc./Butler Aircraft for my entire 37 years flying tankers.As I turn 65 in a couple of weeks,I was only planning to fly one more year anyway.I still have to get through my flight physical next week before I talk to the Aero Air guys.I understand that construction has started on a huge new hangar for Erickson's museum that's supposed to be north of the ex-Butler hangar which is toward the north end of the ramp area and just south of 5 square concrete pads.I haven't been to Madras since last October,but I'll head that way soon.I'll report anything of interest if I hear or see it.

Here's a google earth picture of Madras Airport.The anti-big airplane guy lives in the blue and white house just above the twin circular fields at the top of the picture.

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Here's a shot from one of the concrete pads looking west past the parallel taxiway.The runway is hidden past the grass and tumbleweeds.It is peaceful.

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Here's T62 on a concrete pad.The gravel is solid enough to taxi across (fortunately).

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Here's T60 in front of the Butler maintenance hangar.

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This shot shows T66 inside the hangar.

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Another shot of T66 inside the hangar.

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Another shot of T62 on a concrete pad.

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A shot from the cockpit of T62 at Madras.

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My co-pilot Ron Carpinella inside T62.

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Great shots and information Larry. Thanks. Whenever I hear someone local here (Sussex County Airport- GED) complaining about airplane noise I always ask them when did they move into their house. If they tell me anything after 1942 I kindly tell them to kwitcherbitchin because the airport was here loooooong before they were.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:30 pm 
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Got any more info on the MD87 conversion?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:49 pm 
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Got any more info on the MD87 conversion?



Me to! Being an old DC-9/MD-80 guy, I wonder about tankage location/discharge location.

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I don't have any first hand info on the MD-87 conversion program,other than the first airplane has been tanked and should be making water drops at the Madras Airport in the near future.I know that there were venting problems wth the retardant tank that were restricting the flow on drops.I've heard conflicting reports as to whether that problem has been corrected or not.If the tanked version of the MD-87 arrives in Madras and assuming I don't irritate the management too much,I'll try to get some pictures at some point.In the meantime,here are a few shots of the airplane that was ferried to Madras a few weeks ago courtesy of my c/p:

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Here are a couple of more shots of the inside of T62 from the previous series,plus another shot of the view of Mt. Jefferson looking from the concrete pads to the west across the airport:

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These pictures were taken fairly early in the morning with the light in the wrong place and I haven't tried correcting them with photoshop,but they are interesting:

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Looks like a nice place to live.

Thanks for the info.

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What's louder than three JT-8D-15s on a 727? Two JT-8D-219's on an MD-87.
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Larry, what kinda numbers for takeoff distance does the MD87 have being fully loaded? Looks like a normal high and hot t/o during recurrent...

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Lynn Allen wrote:
Larry, what kinda numbers for takeoff distance does the MD87 have being fully loaded? Looks like a normal high and hot t/o during recurrent...

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MTOW 140000 TOD (FAA) 6100 ft. landing (FAA) 6700 ft. I'm assuming standard day numbers-

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