Warbird Information Exchange

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed on this site are the responsibility of the poster and do not reflect the views of the management.
It is currently Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:53 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Classic Wings Magazine WWII Naval Aviation Research Pacific Luftwaffe Resource Center
When Hollywood Ruled The Skies - Volumes 1 through 4 by Bruce Oriss


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 39 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:42 am 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:11 pm
Posts: 1911
Location: Pacific Northwest USA, via North Florida
spookythecat wrote:
The World War II blimp hangar currently houses both the Erickson vintage aircraft collection and aircraft on loan to the Port of Tillamook from the US Navy.

I wonder what'll happen to the F-14 and a couple of other Navy aircraft that are there? Can't fly the Tomcat out and taking her apart to truck out might be too expensive.

_________________
Life member, 91st BG Memorial Association
Owner, 1944 Willys MB #366014
Former REMF (US Army, O3)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:22 am 
Offline
3000+ Post Club
3000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 04, 2004 8:54 am
Posts: 3321
p51 wrote:
I wonder what'll happen to the F-14 and a couple of other Navy aircraft that are there? Can't fly the Tomcat out and taking her apart to truck out might be too expensive.

Oh, I can guarantee you that it will leave on a truck one way or another, regardless of expense.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:24 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:40 am
Posts: 987
The Inspector wrote:
Apparently no one @ Tillamook heard the words 'location-location-location' because Madras is two blocks past the sticks, and well off the side road to the beaten path.


Not sure what Madras looks like but this sounds like a great location. Hopefully that means there are less non-aviation people out there to bitch about something.


Chappie

_________________
Brrring. Dispersal? TWO SECTIONS SCRAMBLE!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:03 am 
Offline
Long Time Member
Long Time Member

Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:36 am
Posts: 7961
Location: Mt. Vernon, WA.
Chappie wrote:
The Inspector wrote:
Apparently no one @ Tillamook heard the words 'location-location-location' because Madras is two blocks past the sticks, and well off the side road to the beaten path.


Not sure what Madras looks like but this sounds like a great location. Hopefully that means there are less non-aviation people out there to bitch about something.


Chappie



GOOGLE EARTH Bend, OR-lots of crops and bunches of cows and lots and lots of not a heck of a lot else. High desert so it gets colder than the appendages on a non ferrous simian in the Winter and pretty toasty in the Summer.

_________________
Don't make me go get my flying monkeys-


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:27 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:46 pm
Posts: 515
Location: CYYJ
Chappie wrote:
Not sure what Madras looks like...

Image
NWAA C Joseph


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:56 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:40 am
Posts: 987
WallyB wrote:
Chappie wrote:
Not sure what Madras looks like...

Image
NWAA C Joseph


Being from a rural area, that's one beautiful place to house and fly a collection of warbirds. Man that is a gorgeous area.


Chappie

_________________
Brrring. Dispersal? TWO SECTIONS SCRAMBLE!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:47 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:59 pm
Posts: 817
Location: Redmond,Oregon
There's one guy who hates airplane noise that lives about 1/2 mile north of the approach end of Runway 16 at Madras.Fortunately,he has a distinctive house that we try to avoid when we fly the DC-7s from Madras.There are also several homes about the same distance from the approach end of Runway 34,but they haven't complained,so far.The runway at Madras is about 5100 feet long,but only 75 feet wide with soft earth on the end of rwy 34,so touching down short isn't an option,but we can't afford to leave too much unused runway behind us while landing.The museum airplanes shouldn't have any problems and Erickson Aero Tanker has landed an MD-87 in Madras with no problem.All of that said,Madras Airport is a very pleasant and quiet rural location with mostly friendly and helpful people.It's much more relaxed experience operating from Madras than doing so from Redmond.The only real complaint being the relatively short and narrow runway for DC-7 operations.

Butler Aircraft sold their air tanker division to Erickson Aero Tanker last year.The changeover took place in November.I'm expected by Aero Tanker to continue flying T62 on the State of Oregon contract in Medford,but I'm not entirely sure that I want to do so.The changeover has been nothing but trouble for me and for the other ex-Butler employees,so far.As a part time employee,I lost my health care coverage as of November 1st and I'm none too enthusiastic about starting over with a new company after working for TBM Inc./Butler Aircraft for my entire 37 years flying tankers.As I turn 65 in a couple of weeks,I was only planning to fly one more year anyway.I still have to get through my flight physical next week before I talk to the Aero Air guys.I understand that construction has started on a huge new hangar for Erickson's museum that's supposed to be north of the ex-Butler hangar which is toward the north end of the ramp area and just south of 5 square concrete pads.I haven't been to Madras since last October,but I'll head that way soon.I'll report anything of interest if I hear or see it.

Here's a google earth picture of Madras Airport.The anti-big airplane guy lives in the blue and white house just above the twin circular fields at the top of the picture.

Image

Here's a shot from one of the concrete pads looking west past the parallel taxiway.The runway is hidden past the grass and tumbleweeds.It is peaceful.

Image

Here's T62 on a concrete pad.The gravel is solid enough to taxi across (fortunately).

Image

Here's T60 in front of the Butler maintenance hangar.

Image

This shot shows T66 inside the hangar.

Image

Another shot of T66 inside the hangar.

Image

Another shot of T62 on a concrete pad.

Image

A shot from the cockpit of T62 at Madras.

Image

My co-pilot Ron Carpinella inside T62.

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:22 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:40 am
Posts: 987
Great shots and information Larry. Thanks. Whenever I hear someone local here (Sussex County Airport- GED) complaining about airplane noise I always ask them when did they move into their house. If they tell me anything after 1942 I kindly tell them to kwitcherbitchin because the airport was here loooooong before they were.


Chappie

_________________
Brrring. Dispersal? TWO SECTIONS SCRAMBLE!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:30 pm 
Offline
Been here a long time
Been here a long time

Joined: Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am
Posts: 11276
Got any more info on the MD87 conversion?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:49 pm 
Offline
Long Time Member
Long Time Member

Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:36 am
Posts: 7961
Location: Mt. Vernon, WA.
bdk wrote:
Got any more info on the MD87 conversion?



Me to! Being an old DC-9/MD-80 guy, I wonder about tankage location/discharge location.

_________________
Don't make me go get my flying monkeys-


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:36 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:59 pm
Posts: 817
Location: Redmond,Oregon
I don't have any first hand info on the MD-87 conversion program,other than the first airplane has been tanked and should be making water drops at the Madras Airport in the near future.I know that there were venting problems wth the retardant tank that were restricting the flow on drops.I've heard conflicting reports as to whether that problem has been corrected or not.If the tanked version of the MD-87 arrives in Madras and assuming I don't irritate the management too much,I'll try to get some pictures at some point.In the meantime,here are a few shots of the airplane that was ferried to Madras a few weeks ago courtesy of my c/p:

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Here are a couple of more shots of the inside of T62 from the previous series,plus another shot of the view of Mt. Jefferson looking from the concrete pads to the west across the airport:

Image

Image

Image

These pictures were taken fairly early in the morning with the light in the wrong place and I haven't tried correcting them with photoshop,but they are interesting:

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image


Last edited by Larry Kraus on Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:47 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 02, 2004 2:27 pm
Posts: 223
Looks like a nice place to live.

Thanks for the info.

_________________
http://floridawarbirds.wordpress.com/

Updated twice a week!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:54 pm 
Offline
Long Time Member
Long Time Member

Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:36 am
Posts: 7961
Location: Mt. Vernon, WA.
What's louder than three JT-8D-15s on a 727? Two JT-8D-219's on an MD-87.
This little girl has been around for being born so late, McD# 53212, DC-9 l/n 1877. EC-638, EC-FHH,SE-DMP, N 295 EA (NOT EASTERN who was long gone before this one came out of the building)

_________________
Don't make me go get my flying monkeys-


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:40 pm 
Offline
3000+ Post Club
3000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 07, 2004 10:10 pm
Posts: 4319
Location: Maypearl, Texas
Larry, what kinda numbers for takeoff distance does the MD87 have being fully loaded? Looks like a normal high and hot t/o during recurrent...

Lynn


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:42 pm 
Offline
Long Time Member
Long Time Member

Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:36 am
Posts: 7961
Location: Mt. Vernon, WA.
Lynn Allen wrote:
Larry, what kinda numbers for takeoff distance does the MD87 have being fully loaded? Looks like a normal high and hot t/o during recurrent...

Lynn


MTOW 140000 TOD (FAA) 6100 ft. landing (FAA) 6700 ft. I'm assuming standard day numbers-

_________________
Don't make me go get my flying monkeys-


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 39 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot] and 80 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group