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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:51 pm 
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Just noticed these aircraft on the civil registry. They are logged to Vulcan Warbirds, which is affiliated with Paul Allen's Flying Heritage Collection IIRC. Has anyone heard of these aircraft, or whether they truly will be restored to fly? That's pretty exciting news if they will be returned to fly.

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N-number : N19TB
Aircraft Serial Number : A35-17
Aircraft Manufacturer : VOUGHT-THUNDERBIRD AVN INC
Model : F-8
Engine Manufacturer : P&W
Model : J57 SER
Aircraft Year : Not Specified
Owner Name : VULCAN WARBIRDS INC
Owner Address : 505 5TH AVE S STE 900
SEATTLE, WA, 98104-3821
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 03-Oct-2002
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
Approved Operations : Research and Development


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N-number : N37TB
Aircraft Serial Number : A35-30
Aircraft Manufacturer : VOUGHT-THUNDERBIRD AVN INC
Model : F-8
Aircraft Year :
Owner Name : VULCAN WARBIRDS INC
Owner Address : 505 5TH AVE S STE 900
SEATTLE, WA, 98104-3821
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 03-Oct-2002
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Not Specified


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They haven't flown in many years. Thunderbird went bankrupt and the F-8s were offered up for sale. They are indeed with Vulcan but I believe they are a backburner acquisition. A case of get them before they are gone. They are complete and they were being used on govt contracts some years ago.


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Thanks for the reply... I do hope they end up on the circuit at some point. I would love to see an F-8 fly again!

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Could these be perchance, the F-8s that were (3 of them, IIRC) at the Deer Valley (?) airport, West of Phoenix, AZ?

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This may be a really dumb question... but... seeing as I know little about jets beyond 1947, just what is the difference between the F-8 and the A-7?

I know RickH will most likely shoot me like an armadillo from the dining room on this one, but I just had to ask.

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Tulio wrote:
Could these be perchance, the F-8s that were (3 of them, IIRC) at the Deer Valley (?) airport, West of Phoenix, AZ?

Saludos,

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Yep, that's the ones. I had the pleasure of watching one of these birds perform at a Luke AFB open house while they were being operated by Thunderbird Aviation. Still rates as one of the best jet aerobatic displays I have ever witnessed. It indeed would be great to see an F-8 on the airshow circuit. It would be a great partner for the Collings Foundation's Phantom!


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Ryan, I'll let Joe Baugher, give you the differences. I edited some of his explanation for the sake of brevity.

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The F8U-1 was the initial production version of the Crusader. The Crusader test flight program had gone so smoothly that the production F8U-1 was almost identical to the XF8U-1 prototypes. The first production F8U-1 (BuNo 140444) flew for the first time on September 30, 1955, the same day as the maiden flight of the second XF8U-1.

The engine powering the F8U-1 was the J57-P-12A engine, which, after the delivery of the first few dozen aircraft, was supplanted by the J57-P-4A offering an afterburning thrust of 16,200 pounds. The F8U-1 carried an APG-30 gun-ranging fire control radar.

In order to show off its new fighter, the Navy decided to use the Crusader to capture the World's air speed record, held at that time by the F-100C Super Sabre at 825 mph. The Navy felt that the Crusader could beat that record by a substantial margin, perhaps even giving the Crusader the distinction of being the first aircraft to set a record that exceeded 1000 mph.On August 21, 1956, Cdr "Duke" Windsor in F8U-1 BuNo 141345 (the twelfth production machine) hit an average speed of 1015.428 mph in two speed runs in opposite directions over a 15-kilometer course at an altitude of 40,000 feet over China Lake, California.

On June 6, 1957, two F8U-1s, piloted by Capt Robert G. Dose and LtCdr Paul Miller took off from the USS Bon Homme Richard (CVA-31) steaming off the California coast and flew to the USS Saratoga (CVA-60) waiting off the Florida coast. With one midair refuelling over Texas, the planes made the trip in 3 hours and 28 minutes. President Dwight Eisenhower was aboard the Saratoga to greet the crew as they landed.

Fulltext :http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f8_2.html



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The Ling-Temco-Vought A-7 Corsair II was the result of a May 17, 1963 Navy design competition named VAL, which stood for Light Attack Aircraft. The VAL aircraft was to replace the Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, and was to have as its primary mission the delivery of conventional ordnance as opposed to nuclear weapons. The aircraft was to have a single seat, and the requirement specified that the aircraft would have to be in service no later than 1967. The Navy was interested in low cost, and specified that the aircraft would have to be based on an existing design. In addition, in order to save even more money, the requirement did not call for supersonic performance. A maximum bombload of 15,000 pounds was called for. One of the more important features of the V-463 was the presence of no less than eight external stores positions. Two of the hardpoints were on the fuselage sides just ahead of the wing leading edge, and were each capable of carrying 500 pounds. There were two inner underwing pylons, each capable of carrying 2500 pounds, and four outer underwing pylons each capable of carrying 3500 pounds. The aircraft could carry virtually any of the offensive weapons in the Navy's armoury. The aircraft was also armed with a pair of 20-mm Mk 12 cannon with 600 rpg, one gun on each side of the air intake.

The engine used was a non-afterburning 11,350 lb.s.t Pratt & Whitney TF30-P-6 turbofan. No afterburner was needed, since supersonic performance was not called for in the requirement.

For full text see: http://home.att.net/~jbaugher4/newa7_1.html


I don't think bad about you for asking this, Ryan. I didn't even go to the gun cabinet ! :lol: And Ryan, come on, nobody hunts in the dining room, you hunt from the comfort of your living room couch ! :twisted:


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RickH wrote:
And Ryan, come on, nobody hunts in the dining room, you hunt from the comfort of your living room couch ! :twisted:


Get me some of them there slidin' glass doors and a twelve pack of Shiner and lets plug some vermin then!

Thanks for the info... and thank Joe for me too :-)

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Shiner Bock, ...you have to be specific.

You better be careful of who you make fun of...there are more of us out here than you know !!! :shock:

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Oh good lord... they've infiltrated the North (west that is).

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I saw both of them in a maintenance hanger while on tour at FHC last April. They were parked along side and F-105. Apparently all are supposed to be returned to flying condition. Don't hold your breath. I am not suggesting it won't happen. With the means that Mr. Allen has... well if anyone can do it, he can... but really... who would have the know how to put this birds back in the air not matter how much money is thrown at them?!?!?

Even though they appreared to be in good condition, it looked to me like they had been static for a long time.

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Welll,....Mike there is this one outfit...maybe you've heard of them... :lol:

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I have been trying to get in touch with them about the F-8s. I have a pickup truck load plus of F-8 test and support equipment I would like to sell. If anyone has a contact there, let me know.

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Mike are there pics of the F-8's in your photos of the trip? I too would like to see
the Gunfighter fly again!

On proper house/gun etiquette..it is poor form to shoot from the dining
room table..this is relaxed however if the freezer is low on stock. Bench
sighting the weapon at the dining table is to be tolerated. If your a
batchelor...anything goes.

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OK, this is what I have on those Crusaders:

Seen at Deer Valley Airport, AZ May 09, 2000:

F-8 Crusaders

s/n A35-17
N19TB "01"

Owner:

Higgins Aviation, Inc.
5143 W. Oraibi Dr.
Glendale, AZ 85308-5053
Reg. 31 Dec 1996
Type: Exp
Ops: R & D

s/n A35-80
N37TB "02"
Reg: 17 Jan 1998
Type: Not Specified

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