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History channel has a show on this bird?

Cool! :shock:

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Let's just have Holedigger do a rendering of her and her 19 .50's!!!!

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Without pics for details, which seem to be sketchy, it would be a LOT of conjecture. Twin .50's in the waist, extras in the nose, one bolted on somewhere up on the cockpit for the pilot to fire.....about the only thing we know for sure is the serial #! Probably a very faded OD green (with camo blotches) and grey belly. Early star with meatball painted over.Hmmmmm, have to think about that one, the only pics I've seen are paintings of it and the Dogfights episode.

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The "Flying Buccaneers" by Steve Birdsall has a picture of 19th Group B-17E "Honikuu Okole" on page 10, dated May 21, 1943 with a fixed single .50 low in the nose projecting thru the plexiglas. Also, on page 102, 43rd Group B-17E "The Last Straw" shows a flexible twin .50 mounted in the upper part of the bombadiers plexiglas nose. Maybe there might be some similarities.


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I'm thinking the fixed forward gun would have been mounted low as on Honikuu Okole to take advantage of the beefier structure of the bombardier flooring. There isn't a lot of material up high to actually hang a machine gun from that would take the punishment of firing the thing.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Im086TCu3I

Toward the end of the History Channel movie, around the 7:51 mark, they are showing pictures of a heavily damaged early B-17. I am not sure if it is 666 or not, but it has the nose plexiglas shot out with what appears to be fixed twin .50's poking through there. I don't know enough about the more obscure B-17 armament configurations to know if that was OEM. What do you guys think? Is that newsreel of 666 upon landing??

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Edward Sheetmetalhands wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Im086TCu3I

Toward the end of the History Channel movie, around the 7:51 mark, they are showing pictures of a heavily damaged early B-17. I am not sure if it is 666 or not, but it has the nose plexiglas shot out with what appears to be fixed twin .50's poking through there. I don't know enough about the more obscure B-17 armament configurations to know if that was OEM. What do you guys think? Is that newsreel of 666 upon landing??



My guess is that is not 666.

Check out the following from the Memphis Belle documentary at about the 33:24 mark. Slightly different angle from the camera, but even the broken remnants of plexiglass appear identical to what you posted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn0lHROvqGM

What might be the same B-17 (with nose intact) may be seen at about the 2:31 mark of the Memphis Belle link.

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Edward Sheetmetalhands wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Im086TCu3I

Toward the end of the History Channel movie, around the 7:51 mark, they are showing pictures of a heavily damaged early B-17. I am not sure if it is 666 or not, but it has the nose plexiglas shot out with what appears to be fixed twin .50's poking through there. I don't know enough about the more obscure B-17 armament configurations to know if that was OEM. What do you guys think? Is that newsreel of 666 upon landing??


That's a sliced in newsreel clip from the ETO. It's a B-17F.

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Bump - still looking for a photo of this B-17. :wink:

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Periodic bump. :D

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Here's a few B-17E's and F's from the Pacific theater I'm sure you've seen before. (I have a bunch more to go through) I'll see if I can track down anything on '666'

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B-17E s/n 41-2523 "Goonie" was also known as "Busy Beavers". She served with the 72nd BS, 5th BG and 98th BS, 11th BG from the 13th Air Force. Ditched off the Russell Islands on March 20,1943. (U.S. Air Force photo)

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Nose detail of Boeing B-17E "Typhoon McGoon II" (S/N 41-9211) of the 11th Bomb Group, 98th Bomb Squadron, taken in January 1943 in New Caledonia. Note the antennas mounted above the nose plexiglass used for radar tracking of surface vessels. (U.S. Air Force photo)

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Honikuu Okole 'Kick My Ass' B-17 41-9244 64th Bomber Group

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43rd BG B-17E at 7 Mile Airstrip Port Moresby 1943 (U.S. Air Force photo)

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B-17E "Chico" USAAF 43rd BG 65th BS New Guinea 1943 (U.S. Air Force photo)

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B17F "Black Jack" 41-24521 (U.S. Air Force photo)

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Milne Bay 403rd BS B-17F (U.S. Air Force photo)

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No info on this one, not quite sure where in the SW Pacific (U.S. Air Force photo) EDIT: this is Burmuda

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B-17E 41-2611 (U.S. Air Force photo)

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B-17E 41-2627 (U.S. Air Force photo)

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Boeing B-17E "Chief Seattle from the Pacific Northwest" (S/N 41-2656) in flight. (U.S. Air Force photo)
"Chief Seattle" served with the 435th Bomb Squadron, 19th Bomb Group. She was MIA on a recon mission on August 14,1942 near Buna,Papua New Guinea.
Her crew on that mission:
Pilot - 1st Lt. Wilson Cook
Copilot - F/Sgt. George Andrews Royal Australian Air Force
Navigator - 2nd Lt. Hubert Mobley
Bombardier - 2nd Lt. Joseph Cunningham
Engineer - T/Sgt. Elwin Rahier
Asst. Engineer - S/Sgt. John Dunbar
Radio Operator - T/Sgt. Irving McMichael
Asst. Radio Operator - Cpl. Charles Hartman
Gunner - Cpl. Richard Pastor
Gunner - Pvt. David Beatie
All crewmembers were killed in action.

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"Typhoon McGoon II"
Boeing B-17E Flying Fortress
Serial number 41-9211
98th Bomb Squadron, 11th Bomb Group
Pictured at Henderson Field,Guadalcanal. The antenna sticking out from the nose of the plane is an early form of radar for searching for surface ships.
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Boeing B-17Es (S/N 41-2557 and 41-9182) in formation. (U.S. Air Force photo)

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B-17E Fortress Formation USAAF 43rd BG New Guinea 1943

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B-17E belly lands USAAF 43rd BG 63rd BS New Guinea 1943

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B-17 USAAF 43rd BG 65th BS 7 Mile Drome New Guinea 1943

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Boeing B-17E at Hammer Fld 1942

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Boeing B-17E 41-9130 at Hammer Fld 1942

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Boeing B-17C "The Swoose" at Hammer Fld 1942 (a rare one)

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That's one I've never seen before; is that artwork on the wheelcover or just missing paint?

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Boeing B-17D "The Swoose" at Hammer Fld 1942 (a rare one)

That's one I've never seen before; is that artwork on the wheelcover or just missing paint?

I'm pretty sure it just lost some paint. I was enjoying that picture as well. I was sitting here scrolling through the pictures, when I saw that picture and the voice in my head immediately yelled "SWOOSE!".

I have to say, I like Mark's reaction to a topic: "Huh? Somebody said picture? Here, have about 20 to 30 pictures of that airplane type, free of charge!" :lol:
(Just kidding you Mark, please don't stop.)

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Good stuff, Mark - thanks! :D Actually haven't seen a few of those.

Here's one everyone's probably seen from National Geographic 1942/43 - I forget which issue:

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Great thread! ... I've always liked the early B-17's with service in the SW Pacific. Something about the desperation of the time and place. I am now on a quest to find photos of "old 666", I'm getting close. I still have a bunch more to search through and clean up.

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B-17C, not sure of location and date, must be 1942 though

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B-17E bomber 'Yankee Diddler' of 43rd Bomber Group, US 65th Bomber Squadron taking off from Jackson Field, Port Moresby, New Guinea, 1942-1943

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B-17E bomber 'Craps for the Japanese' of the 43rd Bombardment Group, US 65th Bombing Squadron based at Jackson Field, Port Moresby, New Guinea in flight, 1942-1943

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B-17E bomber of the US 43rd Bombardment Group based at Jackson Field, Port Moresby, New Guinea, 1942-1943

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B-17E 'Sally' of US 5th Air Force based between Townsville, Queensland, Australia and Port Moresby, New Guinea; this aircraft was used exclusively to transport Major General Kenny

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General Kenny's B-17 at 7 Mile Port Moresby, New Guinea

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