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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:48 am 
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JohnB wrote:
After seeing one of the photos in the last collection, I posted a copy of the B-17 crew in a Jeep on a Jeep history website.

One of the other readers did the research on the crew and their fate.

He did an excellent job....

Just after the photo was taken on Aug 2, 1944, I'll Get By was hit by German flak over France.
7 of the crew were killed, three were captured.

https://b17flyingfortress.de/en/b17/42- ... ll-get-by/

There is a monument to the men near the crash site:
https://95thbg.com/cms/2019/7/19/airan-france


The three survivors were:
Walter J. Collyer, Jr 1925-2001.
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the- ... e/3483793/ … his obit: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/189 ... es-collyer

Barney Lipkin (1920-1986), https://www.uswarmemorials.org/html/peo ... leID=23847

Donald W. Phillips (1925-2004), POW.
His obit: https://www.newspapers.com/article/the- ... 115664219/

He wrote this letter to the deceased pilot’s mother: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... r.jpeg.pdf

The crew as seen in the photo...
L to R: S/Sgt William W. Adamson–Waist Gunner; Capt. Elmer E. Bockman–Asst S-3 95th BG; 1Lt Jasper W. Kaylor Jr–Copilot; 1Lt Frank t. Sohm–Bombardier; T/Sgt Oscar C. Walrod–Engineer/Top Turret; T/Sgt Robert V. Hill–Radio Operator; Capt. Robert O. Baber–Pilot; 1Lt Raymond D. Dallas–Navigator; S/Sgt Barney Lipkin–Waist Gunner; S/Sgt Walter J. Collyer Jr–Tail Gunner; S/Sgt Donald W. Phllips–Ball Turret –Photo courtesy of National Archives Note: The 11th man in the crew photograph is not dressed for a combat mission because Command Pilot Bockman replaced him on the mission. S/Sgt. William W. Adamson, waist gunner, joined the official crew photograph even though not flying that day.

I posted that photo thinking it might be of interest for WWII MB/GPW owners would like seeing a rare color shot of a wartime Jeep.
I figured the crew survived the war and went on with their lives. I was shocked when I read what was posted. I never thought most of them would be dead a few hours later.
It's sad that the co-pilot was apparently flying his final mission with a different crew because it was supposed to be a "milk run".
Also, a Captain, a command pilot/staff officer was manning a waist gun. Him taking the mission saved the regular gunner's life.

RIP to them all...


In fact, the plane behind the crew in the jeep is B-17G-40-DL 44-6434, belonging to the 97th Bomb Group, 414th Bomb squadron, 15th AAF, Amendola, Italy.

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(pictures from an Ebay auction last year)

The plane in the back ground also shows similar markings on the tail, if the picture is darkened a little bit

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Even more interesting, the picture of the crew posing on the wing is the same that the crew in the jeep, and the caption of the "wing picture" gives the names of that crew:

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the second officer from the right on the wing picture, (and who is the 6th guy from the left in the jeep), 2nd Lt Norden (the bombardier!!), has the 414th Bomb Squadron insignia on his B-10 Jacket.

I hope pictures of the 95th Bomb Group's 42-102700 will surface one day.

Laurent


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#26 in the middle (42-3236) at Pyote and Ontario:
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Mechanic: "Flap switch checked OK. Pilot needs more P.T." - Flight report, TB-17G 42-102875 (Hobbs AAF)


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#26 in the middle (42-3236) at Pyote and Ontario:
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Is that Dana Andrews?


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Roswell Army Air Field, New Mexico - Air Forces personnel demonstrate the radio equipped jeep and controller tripod and instrument panel employed in taking off and landing the pilotless B-17 Flying Fortresses the Air Forces will use this summer to obtain scientific data during the Joint Army-Navy atomic bomb test at Bikini Atoll in the Pacific. Photo taken by J.L. Hussey, AAF Photographer.

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Aldis Lamp Operation from Radio Jeep.

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Roswell Army Air Field, New Mexico - A radio-controlled Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress and a B-17 mother plane fly low over the spectators as the AAF demonstrates the flexibility of the 'drone' aircraft it plans to employ this summer at the Joint Army-Navy atomic bomb test in the Pacific.


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Is that Dana Andrews?

Yep! From The Best Years of Our Lives.

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quemerford wrote:
Is that Dana Andrews?

Yep! From The Best Years of Our Lives.

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All right, Mister Dorfmann, start pullin'!
Pilot: "Flap switch works hard in down position."
Mechanic: "Flap switch checked OK. Pilot needs more P.T." - Flight report, TB-17G 42-102875 (Hobbs AAF)


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