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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:57 am 
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Here we go again. These posts could do with being locked as soon as the news has broken.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:39 am 
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What a shame. My condolences to those who knew the pilot.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:00 am 
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According to a couple of witness reports on the Facebook thread, the maneuver prior was a slow-speed roll, so he was already fairly low energy and then he tried to do a fairly aggressive vertical maneuver, which sadly seems to have led to an accelerated stall, even if just momentarily, which he then was unable to recover from due to his low altitude and energy. There's another video linked in the Facebook thread that seems to indicate the pilot knew he was in trouble and aimed for that field as an attempt to try and make it as "soft" as possible of an impact. Unfortunately, he wasn't able to get flat enough to save himself. It has a lot of parallels to the F-86 crash at Front Range (now Rocky Mountain Regional) back in the late 90s.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:40 pm 
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Very sad, came across this vantage which shows the maneuver leading up to the crash
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comme ... yesterday/


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Here's a good video of the previous days display for comparison.

https://youtu.be/F8ayjjse0p0

Looks pretty much like most Hurricane displays I've seen over the years, both aerobatic and non aerobatic.

After the energy has washed off after the initial high speed passes (the half cubans), a flowing selection of wingovers trading height for speed and speed for height - very much like the Shuttleworth Collection (non aerobatic) Sea Hurricane I is flown.

A nicely flown display I'd say.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:52 am 
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I wonder if it was the same pilot on both days?

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Jim MacDonald wrote:
I wonder if it was the same pilot on both days?

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Definitely a low speed manuvoir and stall. Hurricanes are known for low speed maneuverability problems. It's a shame a fatality was the result. Sad ending to this aircraft, wonder if it will be a rebuildable project.


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Mick G wrote:
Definitely a low speed manuvoir and stall. Hurricanes are known for low speed maneuverability problems. It's a shame a fatality was the result. Sad ending to this aircraft, wonder if it will be a rebuildable project.


To be fair, seems pilots have a low speed low maneuverability issue. It's not that hard to stay within the envelope. Same mistakes being made over and over, there are those that will always learn the hard way.

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JimH wrote:
Mick G wrote:
Definitely a low speed manuvoir and stall. Hurricanes are known for low speed maneuverability problems. It's a shame a fatality was the result. Sad ending to this aircraft, wonder if it will be a rebuildable project.


To be fair, seems pilots have a low speed low maneuverability issue. It's not that hard to stay within the envelope. Same mistakes being made over and over, there are those that will always learn the hard way.

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He seemed to be flying a very cautious display - but slow and cautious is apparently not always the best approach. :(

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Jesse C. wrote:
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Cheers???


It's just a British way of saying "Goodbye"


That would be "cheerio", whereas cheers means thanks.

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ZRX61 wrote:
Jesse C. wrote:
lucky52 wrote:
Cheers???


It's just a British way of saying "Goodbye"


That would be "cheerio", whereas cheers means thanks.


I'm not sure anyone has said "cheerio" in Britain since the demise of "The Home Service" and "The Light Programme" on the BBC in the 1960s! :lol:


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Weii as a matter of fact cheerio is still in frequent use, I for one still use it and so do lots of people that I know.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:15 pm 
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I don't think I've ever said cheerio.

Cheers, yes, regularly.


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Honestly can't think anyone has ever said "cheerio" to me (except when talking about a breakfast cereal), "cheers" has most certainly morphed (during my adulthood?) from a salute over a pint to "thanks" and thence to a farewell, at least in the London area.


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