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The old Douglas planes are way safer than these.
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/01/23/p ... ing-three/

Just being curious, but in what way would they be safer?

https://aviation-safety.net/database/ty ... statistics
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Load capacity. Plus, it's a MUCH older airframe.

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I'm not an expert, but the wings seem to stay on the DC propliners better than the C-130's. I just think thats kind of an important deal.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/air-for ... cks-2019-8

Mmm. you've got to worry about the accuracy of the rest of the page when you see a statement like, "Zincka Leasing put them to work for French Securite' Civile, the French CIA..." (my italics and bold)

Are you assuming this latest crash is a result of structural failure or do you know this to be a fact?

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And I think you implying as fact something that is not known is offensive to a large number of professionals.

The accumulated fatigue on these c130 firebombers can be terrific to say the least; its estimated around 6-8 times that of normal operations, and the C130 is already notorious for having a poor design with cracking issues. For the sake of other pilots and thier families, I hope they expedite the analysis on the wreckage and debris to determine if the entire fleet should be grounded.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I would kindly suggest keeping it to yourself until the investigation is complete, the report has been published, and the experts have been able to evaluate the contents. Right now people are grieving for three crewmembers who lost their lives. This is not the time to start throwing accusations around.

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They are currently using C-130h's and Q's.
The one that shed it's wings was an A model.

Old Douglas Planes.....well, they are all gone. There is no “fleet” left to restore to operation. There aren’t engines or airframe parts enough to support a worldwide fleet if it existed anyway.

I was in an Air Force reserve unit that had C-130A’s and later C-130H1s and C-130H2s . I’m no expert but have a few friends in the C-130 community that have put 50 years of their adult life into flying, crewing, maintaining, C-130s.
The American C-130A firebomber in the US that had the wings come off on a pass had everything to do with improper technique by the pilots. That being said, our unit got rid of our last C-130A’s in 1990. We had two that remained on the ramp for a few months because the had too many spar cracks. They were finally cleared for ferry flights to Davis Monthan, with minimum fuel weights. I was told that all of our C-130A’s had spar cracks. They were worn out from heavy use in the Vietnam War, and decades of low level , high turbulence, flight training around Tennessee. At that time, the E models were also worn out for the same reason.
The C-130 is found around the world with many different models and uses. Some of them are very low time and in great shape. Others are rags. However, they are still in production and the J model is a great air craft. We don’t know anything about the condition of the C-130 that just crashed.
I’ve been turning wrenches with a friend this week that has 4,000 hours in C-130’s. He knows that area in Australia and says it is hilly and mountainous. He thinks they could’ve gotten in a downdraft. I also think that they could’ve been visual and then lost their references somehow and hit a hillside. The three crew members were highly experienced career pilots with a lot of C-130 time. Let’s wait and see what comes out in the reports.

To my knowledge, which is limited to 22 years of C-130 operations and maintenance experience; which in the life of the C-130 is not long, three C-130s have lost their wings in flight. I assume the evidence you are basing your statement on (forgive me if I am wrong and I would be very interested in knowing what other reason/evidence you base your assertion on) is the video of C-130A N130HP crashing in Walker, CA. The A model is structurally very different than the aircraft that crashed in Australia and to compare these two is not logical. I am not going to get into statistics, they seem to cause more harm than good and questions than answers, plus it seems you know how to use the internet, That being said few aircraft can match the safety record of the C-130, and when you take out losses to enemy action the safety record enters the realm of modern airliners. When the C-130's mission sets and flight profiles are compared to that of airliners her numbers become even more impressive. The C-130 is not only still used, but she is also still being manufactured and will be for at least another 8 years with current orders.

I started this thread to get the kind of good information that has been posted. Also for the pilots of that plane, I just don't think its cool to always find ways to blame the pilots for things like this.
Or like someone here said wrong pilot technique causing the HP C-130 wings folding, wrong if all load was dumped before the incident, that airframe should be able to take more G load than a Cessna 150. Do C-130's have fuel tanks in the fuselage?

Firefighting in aircraft is extremely hazardous with shifting winds,high temps,smoke and windshear conditions being relevant..That all in high terrain with tall trees flying at low level trying to drop their load on a raging fire..
Let the investigators do their work.

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