Warbird Information Exchange

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed on this site are the responsibility of the poster and do not reflect the views of the management.
It is currently Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:21 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Classic Wings Magazine WWII Naval Aviation Research Pacific Luftwaffe Resource Center
When Hollywood Ruled The Skies - Volumes 1 through 4 by Bruce Oriss


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:37 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:37 am
Posts: 11
Location: Busset, central France
Can anyone help to confirm that this is the headset jack socket from the jackbox on the right hand side of the cockpit ? We can't find a picture of it anywhere.

The lettering appears to be the last three letters of the word 'SOUND' or 'GROUND' or something else.

Thanks for your help.

Attachment:
jack.jpg



Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:22 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:44 am
Posts: 838
Location: DAL glidepath
What is the backstory on this pilot/aircraft/location?

I've tried to educate myself via google searches, to no avail.

Thanks in advance.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:24 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:13 pm
Posts: 97
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Looks like a receptacle to electrically ground the aircraft on the ramp.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:37 am 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:41 pm
Posts: 1429
Location: North Texas
The piece of wire gives the answer. Static ground point. The only things that uses 2 or 3 wires wrapped around a core of wire, are static grounds. Notable other places to find them are on control surfaces and hinged doors and panels.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:52 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:37 am
Posts: 11
Location: Busset, central France
StangStung wrote:
What is the backstory on this pilot/aircraft/location?

I've tried to educate myself via google searches, to no avail.

Thanks in advance.


After the invasion of Southern France in August 1944 Brink was conducting an armed recco up the Rhone valley from their carrier, The Kasaan Bay, anchored off Toulon. While overflying a small village he saw what he thought to be a German motorcyclist with a sidecar and dived to strafe. It was in all probability a bike comandeered by the French resistance as by then the Germans had retreated north from the area. In those confusing days this kind of thing happened a lot.

His wingman reported that his aircraft went very low, there are reports that he even tore off the reserve tank, then it came up to about 300 ft, looking out of control, wheeled over to port and dived into the woods.

The official report notes that he was killed by ground fire. It may be true, but it seems very unlikely that it was enemy fire. It might have been a case of friendly fire but they would have had to be very lucky to down a Hellcat with small arms fire.

For the moment that's as much as we know.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:29 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:37 am
Posts: 11
Location: Busset, central France
flypa38 wrote:
Looks like a receptacle to electrically ground the aircraft on the ramp.


That's great, and it makes much more sense. Thanks. Any idea where we could find a picture ?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:32 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:37 am
Posts: 11
Location: Busset, central France
Cvairwerks wrote:
The piece of wire gives the answer. Static ground point. The only things that uses 2 or 3 wires wrapped around a core of wire, are static grounds. Notable other places to find them are on control surfaces and hinged doors and panels.


Sounds good but I'll get a photo of the back side so you can see the electrical connections. Can anyone send a picutre of the static grounding of a hellcat ?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:53 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:37 am
Posts: 11
Location: Busset, central France
Ian03 wrote:
Cvairwerks wrote:
The piece of wire gives the answer. Static ground point. The only things that uses 2 or 3 wires wrapped around a core of wire, are static grounds. Notable other places to find them are on control surfaces and hinged doors and panels.


Sounds good but I'll get a photo of the back side so you can see the electrical connections. Can anyone send a picutre of the static grounding of a hellcat ?


Here is a picture of the back of the connector. Does this confirm the static gounding point and give a clue as to it's location on the aircraft ?

Attachment:
jack rear.jpg
jack rear.jpg [ 302.72 KiB | Viewed 729 times ]


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:16 am 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:41 pm
Posts: 1429
Location: North Texas
Wash off all the dirt and you can verify that all three of the small eyelet terminals have continuity with the flex tab and the body. The only thing that uses this type configuration is a static ground point. The labeling on the other side would be consistent with a ground point too.

The pilot's headset would have plugged into a J-22A jack box on the right side of the cockpit. The J-22A would give the pilot a mix of all 5 receivers installed in the aircraft.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:30 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:37 am
Posts: 11
Location: Busset, central France
Cvairwerks wrote:
Wash off all the dirt and you can verify that all three of the small eyelet terminals have continuity with the flex tab and the body. The only thing that uses this type configuration is a static ground point. The labeling on the other side would be consistent with a ground point too.

The pilot's headset would have plugged into a J-22A jack box on the right side of the cockpit. The J-22A would give the pilot a mix of all 5 receivers installed in the aircraft.


Thanks, that all makes perfect sense but where was this grounding point on the aircraft ?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:02 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:07 am
Posts: 91
Location: Mesa, AZ
Definitely a static grounding receptacle. I have the same units all over the F7U.

_________________
Al Casby
Project Cutlass

Cutlass Aeronautics, LLC
4863 E. Falcon Drive
Mesa, AZ 85215


“Restoring Aviation’s Cutting Edge”

Alcasby@projectcutlass.com
602-684-9371


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:36 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:41 pm
Posts: 1429
Location: North Texas
Ian03 wrote:
Thanks, that all makes perfect sense but where was this grounding point on the aircraft ?


Ian: No idea on the Hellcat. One thing that might help, is that it appears to be mounted on a piece of fiberglass or some sort of composite.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:41 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:37 am
Posts: 11
Location: Busset, central France
Cvairwerks wrote:
Ian03 wrote:
Thanks, that all makes perfect sense but where was this grounding point on the aircraft ?


Ian: No idea on the Hellcat. One thing that might help, is that it appears to be mounted on a piece of fiberglass or some sort of composite.


Maybe somewhere here ? Behind this cover ?

Attachment:
Grumman-F6F-Hellcat-sound-effects.jpg
Grumman-F6F-Hellcat-sound-effects.jpg [ 150.42 KiB | Viewed 487 times ]


Attachment:
f6f carrier.JPG



Attachments:
f6f carrier.JPG

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:45 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:13 pm
Posts: 364
Generally, a grounding point would be installed near a fuel filling cap so that you can easily connect the grounding wire before commencing fuelling. I have no idea about the Hellcat's location for that though.

_________________
A Little VC10derness - A Tribute to the Vickers VC10 - www.VC10.net


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:20 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:37 am
Posts: 11
Location: Busset, central France
Archer wrote:
Generally, a grounding point would be installed near a fuel filling cap so that you can easily connect the grounding wire before commencing fuelling. I have no idea about the Hellcat's location for that though.


Thanks Archer, we're on the case :-)


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 99 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group