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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:01 pm 
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In the video I posted of the first flight, you can see that they left the canopy slightly open in the unoccupied right hand side. Any ideas why this is and it wasn't fully closed?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:14 pm 
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Question: I just re-read the original flight announcement. Am wondering how the XP-82 would have 3 times the HP of a conventional Mustang. Could this be a mis-quote? Thanks in advance!


Per Tom Reilly on their Facebook page:

The unexpected and dramatic acceleration of our XP-82 at 55 inches of manifold pressure occurred because it was approaching three times the horsepower of a single engine Mustang and one and a half times the weight. The XP-82 has 1860 hp each side for total of 3720 hp, compared to 1500 hp for the P-51. Our XP-82 weighs approximately only 1 1/2 times more than a P-51 - 14,700 lbs. compared to 9500 lbs. for the P-51.


So the XP-82 has a different version of the Merlin than the P-51D's/H's/K's?


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They were the most powerful Packard Merlin’s made in standard production, and the last of the line. The XP-82 has one each V-1650-23 right hand and -25 left hand engines that were rated by Packard identically to the “dash nine” Merlin that was in late Mustangs. That’s a beefy engine. The normal P-51D V-1650-7 was rated from the manufacturer at 1315hp at 3000 rpm, with a max horsepower of 1720hp at 3000 rpm. The dash 23 and 25 are normal rated at 1380hp at 3000 rpm, with maximum power being 2,280 hp at 3000 rpm, and same as the dash nine Merlin. What is neat, and a mystery to me is that the dash 25 has a reduction gear ratio of .478 to 1 while the dash 23 has a .480 to 1. It must all work out due to the additional reduction gear losses somehow....regardless, I imagine the new engines will be super strong, and have the benefit of many years of postwar engine development (Reno) ensuring their durability.

This is a picture of their engine from their site...


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:09 pm 
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The XP-82 will be displayed and flying at the Valiant Air Command's "Space Coast Warbird Airshow" from March 15-17. Here is another Michael O'Leary air-to-air photo that accompanied the Facebook announcement: https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5CEFCA10


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Are there any any armor plates available for this F-82 (or any P-51s) or have they all been scrapped?


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With regard to the armor plate that goes behind the pilot's seat, there are some originals around still (they are however completely different between the P-51D and the P-82 - different design, and on the P-82, as I recall, it is a two part deal - one section that only reaches as high as the top of the seat and forms part of the seat mounting, and then the upper headrest portion). I recall in the restoration blog that the lower armor plate sections were reproduced using aluminum sheet (same thickness, but much lighter). Tom Reilly does have two original P-82 type upper steel armor plate sections as well, that mount the headrests, but the last project update I read about them was a bit earlier in the restoration and at that time they were going to wait on deciding to restore/use them or create new ones out of lighter, but same thickness, aluminum sheet once the weight and balance was checked on the completed aircraft (I think they ended up finding that the weight and balance is so close to the position of the armor plate that the weight of the armor plate doesn't really affect it). Since the aircraft has still been in the test-flight phase, I'm also certain that it hasn't exactly been a priority item for the time being. The aircraft is very authentically complete throughout (original radios, gun sight, gun camera, complete and detailed gun bays, etc.) so I fully expect they plan on having the armor plate headrest sections installed in time. (With regard to armor plates in Mustang restorations, often times they will be re-made using aluminum sheet to save on weight rather than using the original steel plates).


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:23 am 
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Thanks John.


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(With regard to armor plates in Mustang restorations, often times they will be re-made using aluminum sheet to save on weight rather than using the original steal plates).

Thanks John, this is something I have wondered about.

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Would be a prime attraction for any show, where is this aircraft based at ?

When/if it makes the airshow circuit I am hoping they don't do much flying with it, just land it and let it sit there and look pretty. Diehards can see it in the air on arrival and departure.


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Who's been doing the test flying of the airplane?

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Joe Scheil wrote:
The normal P-51D V-1650-7 was rated from the manufacturer at 1315hp at 3000 rpm, with a max horsepower of 1720hp at 3000 rpm. The dash 23 and 25 are normal rated at 1380hp at 3000 rpm, with maximum power being 2,280 hp at 3000 rpm, and same as the dash nine Merlin. What is neat, and a mystery to me is that the dash 25 has a reduction gear ratio of .478 to 1 while the dash 23 has a .480 to 1. It must all work out due to the additional reduction gear losses somehow....


.478:1 and .480:1 is less than 1/2% difference in RPM. At 3,000 engine RPM one prop is turning 1,434 RPM and the other is turning 1,440 RPM. Not sure that a 6 RPM difference between the two equates to a noticeable variation in thrust. I'm guessing the engine core itself turns the same direction and the nosecase has an idler gear for opposite rotation that affects the gear ratio.

What manifold pressures are these HP figures at and is that with water injection?

This is all a guess on my part though.


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Dan Jones wrote:
Who's been doing the test flying of the airplane?


Ray Fowler

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Heard some rumors from multiple people that it has a buyer in line and will head to Russia this fall.

Any truth to this?


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Heard some rumors from multiple people that it has a buyer in line and will head to Russia this fall.

Any truth to this?


Heard the same.

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Presumably to the same organisation that has the IL-2, MiG-3's, Polikarpov's, static A-20 and a bunch of other things?


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