Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:35 pm
Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:42 pm
Richard W. wrote:The bone guy is all over the news this morning. "Conclusive proof."
Very odd having this nonsense pop up again right in the middle of the REAL, genuinely astounding work the USS Lexington exploration team is doing this week.
Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:46 pm
Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:54 pm
Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:55 pm
iowa61 wrote:Richard W. wrote:The bone guy is all over the news this morning. "Conclusive proof."
Very odd having this nonsense pop up again right in the middle of the REAL, genuinely astounding work the USS Lexington exploration team is doing this week.
I would be cautious about dismissing someone of Dr. Jantz's reputation and stature as a "bone guy" who traffics in "nonsense."
Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:08 pm
iowa61 wrote:I am surprised and dismayed at the ease with which many are dismissing this effort by TIGHAR and Dr. Jantz--in apparent ignorance of the processes and principles governing the Scientific Method.
Richard L. Jantz, Ph.D., is Professor Emeritus and Director Emeritus at the University of Tennessee Forensic Anthropology Center. He is one of the most respected and distinguished scholars in his field.
His scientific paper has been peer-reviewed and published in a recognized scientific journal. These are the VERY HIGHEST standards of formal science. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and Dr. Jantz presents that in unimpeachable form.
The bottom line conclusion is statistically based, in much the same manner as DNA analyses. The mathematical chance that the bones in question could belong to any individual other than Amelia Earhart is vanishingly small.
Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:12 pm
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:31 pm
iowa61 wrote:The bottom line conclusion is statistically based, in much the same manner as DNA analyses. The mathematical chance that the bones in question could belong to any individual other than Amelia Earhart is vanishingly small.
Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:09 pm
Richard W. wrote:iowa61 wrote:Richard W. wrote:The bone guy is all over the news this morning. "Conclusive proof."
Very odd having this nonsense pop up again right in the middle of the REAL, genuinely astounding work the USS Lexington exploration team is doing this week.
I would be cautious about dismissing someone of Dr. Jantz's reputation and stature as a "bone guy" who traffics in "nonsense."
I'm more cautious of a new guy who joined the site only today just to argue about this particular issue.
Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:13 pm
Stephan Wilkinson wrote:Finally, the whining of the NeverTighar contingent becomes truly ludicrous as they try desperately to pee on scientific methodology from the heights of ignorance.
Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:18 pm
ZRX61 wrote:iowa61 wrote:I am surprised and dismayed at the ease with which many are dismissing this effort by TIGHAR and Dr. Jantz--in apparent ignorance of the processes and principles governing the Scientific Method.
Richard L. Jantz, Ph.D., is Professor Emeritus and Director Emeritus at the University of Tennessee Forensic Anthropology Center. He is one of the most respected and distinguished scholars in his field.
His scientific paper has been peer-reviewed and published in a recognized scientific journal. These are the VERY HIGHEST standards of formal science. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and Dr. Jantz presents that in unimpeachable form.
The bottom line conclusion is statistically based, in much the same manner as DNA analyses. The mathematical chance that the bones in question could belong to any individual other than Amelia Earhart is vanishingly small.
He's so good, he actually debunked his own claims... So while he may have been respected for earlier work, he stepped on his dick this time.
Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:22 pm
Steve Birdsall wrote:One report states that "Richard L. Jantz used bone measurement analysis to determine that the skeletal remains, including a humerus, radius, tibia, fibula and both femora, found on Nikumaroro Island in 1940, match estimates of Amelia Earhart's bone lengths".
I think the key word here might be "estimates".
Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:53 pm
iowa61 wrote:
Really? I'm inviting you to review Dr. Jantz's credentials and then his peer-reviewed article. This has nothing whatsoever to do with me. This has everything to do with the verifiable science and the Scientific Method. So instead of focusing on me, I'd love to read your specific critique of Dr. Jantz's work.
Sound fair?
Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:56 pm
Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:07 am
Kyleb wrote:iowa61 wrote:
Really? I'm inviting you to review Dr. Jantz's credentials and then his peer-reviewed article. This has nothing whatsoever to do with me. This has everything to do with the verifiable science and the Scientific Method. So instead of focusing on me, I'd love to read your specific critique of Dr. Jantz's work.
Sound fair?
The critique is that Jantz is making estimates off of notes someone else took 75 years ago and is making absolute statements about those estimates.