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November 25, 1943 near Murmansk, 16 IL-2 attack aircraft from the 46th assault aviation regiment of the Northern Fleet Air Force, together with the Pe-2 bombers, engaged an air battle with 25 Messerschmitt Bf.109 fighters over enemy territory.
This year, an attack aircraft of the Great Patriotic War Il-2 will rise to the sky. The UAC enterprises have repeatedly reconstructed legendary aircraft, but for the first time in the history of the corporation the machine of the war times - thanks to the joint project with the "Victory Victory Memorial" foundation - will not only be recreated, but will also be able to rise to the sky.

November 25, 1943 near Murmansk, 16 IL-2 attack aircraft from the 46th assault aviation regiment of the Northern Fleet Air Force, together with the Pe-2 bombers, engaged an air battle with 25 Messerschmitt Bf.109 fighters over enemy territory.

Sturmovik commander Valentin Skopintsev, for whom it was only the third combat sortie, and the gunner Vladimir Humenniy (second combat sortie) was shot down. The airplane was denied rifle and cannon armament. The crew could only drop bombs on the enemy, lie down on the return course and soon sit "on the belly" on the ice of Lake Krivoye, near its airfield. Skopintsev got out of the cab and pulled out a wounded comrade, the plane later sank. In that November battle, the crew suppressed one enemy antiaircraft gun and fought off the attacking "sugar". This IL-2 and found divers in 2011 at a depth of 20 m.

In 2015, the Winged Victory Memory Foundation raised a historic plane from the bottom of the lake and sent it for restoration to Novosibirsk, to the Aviastavratsii workshops and the Siberian Aviation Scientific Research Institute. SA Chaplygin.

At the same time, the UAC and Ilyushin agreed to finance most of the restoration work for the Il-2. This year, the "flying tank" will first rise into the air.

"Reconstruction lasted about a year," says Boris Osiatinsky, president of the Winged Victory Memory Foundation. "About 60% of the details were recovered." This is the second Il-2 ground attack aircraft, which is being restored by the fund. In total for its history the foundation has restored about 20 combat historical aircraft that took part in the Great Patriotic War.
Restoration of the cabin and engine compartment.
"Il-2 is the first historical legendary machine that we will raise in the sky in conjunction with the" Victory Memory Victory "fund and which will be part of the" Russian National Collection ", said Sergey Gerasimov, the UAC vice-president for state aviation of special purpose. "By giving a second life to these aircraft, we not only pay tribute to the heroic past of our people, but also realize the responsibility that lies with us all for the revival of domestic aviation."

"The legendary Il-2 attack aircraft, the most massive aircraft in the history of world aviation, is rightfully the same symbol of the Great Victory, as, for example, the T-34 tank or the Katyusha multiple rocket fire system. We are proud of this glorious landmark in the history of our design office, "says Ilyushin general director Sergei Velmogkin. - It is planned that the only IL-2 ground attack aircraft restored to the state of flight will be demonstrated in the air on air shows and aviation holidays for the purpose of military-patriotic education of the youth, the popularization of Il-I aircraft, the Russian aviation industry, the Russian Aerospace Forces Federation ".
Anglo-Saxons are the winners ?!

Almost any American or English teenager will tell you with confidence that the air force of their countries played a decisive role in the victory over fascism and the German Luftwaffe. The whole matter is not at all in the propaganda machine of the United States or Britain. To such things, students are relatively cool. And it's about tens or even hundreds of airshows - big and small, regularly brought by the winning countries. "When a child sees in the sky and on the ground, say, Aircobra or Hurricane planes with distinctive signs of their country, elementary questions to history become less," says Boris Osiatinsky, the founder of the "Victory Memory Victory" foundation.

For today in the asset of the fund - more than 20 aircraft restored to airworthiness. Previously, enthusiasts found their own means. Part of the money was paid by collectors. For example, the first IL-2 attack aircraft took off due to the target financing of American billionaire Paul Allen (Paul Allen) - co-founder of Microsoft, as well as financier of the first private spacecraft SpaceShipOne.

"Messer" in the history of Russian restoration
The creator of the fund "The Victory Memory of Victory" Boris Osiatinsky got into the restoration almost by accident. A physicist by training, he got a job as a director in the Gelendzhik Museum (in the late 1980s it was easier to get an apartment). Somehow the sailors picked up the Messerschmitt, shot down by Soviet pilots and drove him to the museum. In the city committee of the CPSU there were doubts about the expediency of installing a fascist "vulture" in the Soviet museum. However, the find aroused great interest among real veterans of the war: after the excursions, the victorious warriors did not want to leave it.

Some, apparently, retired pilots, recalled the scenes of aerial combat, actively gesticulating. Although later the German aircraft disappeared without due conservation and reconstruction, Boris Osiatinsky created one of the largest collection of aircraft in Europe, the exhibits of which are stored in the hangars of the LII them. M. M. Gromov.
Volunteers and wings
The main work on the restoration of historical machines at the enterprises of the UAC is conducted by volunteers. "On the planes of Andrei Nikolayevich Tupolev, the pilots installed not one world record. It's nice to realize that you are making a small contribution to the preservation of the history of our aviation, "says the head of the department, the head of the team of the Tupolev company, volunteer Alexei Fadyushin. "After all, the past is the beginning of the present, the future is impossible without the past."

Over the past two years, the company Tupolev has been engaged in the restoration of several aircraft - it helped the Museum of Aviation in Monino with the restoration of such vehicles as Tu-144, Tu-16, Tu-22 and ANT-25.

In addition, two historical monuments were reconstructed. "Last year, we opened a monument to the Tu-104, in this we are going to go to Kimry for restoration of the Tu-124," says the head of the social programs department Kirill Komarov. The monument to the first Soviet jet passenger Tu-104 aircraft stands today in the street of the Motor-builders in Rybinsk. And the first domestic jet passenger airliner for airlines of short length Tu-124 is installed on a pedestal on the bank of the Volga in the city of Kimry, in the native land of Andrei Nikolaevich Tupolev, at the very beginning of the street bearing the name of the legendary designer.

Most of the activity of volunteers - groups of 15-20 people - is associated with simple, but very necessary for the preservation of old aircraft works - washing, painting, repair of hatches and plating. But more complex restoration works are carried out to restore the lost elements of the liners. "Often in the restoration work involved designers and staff of the mock-shop, - says the adviser to the president of the company" Tupolev "Alexander Zatuchny. "They help in the search and restoration of drawings of machines and their individual parts."
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Superb! I wonder if this one is Allison powered as well?


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Betcha DaveM2 knows... pop2 It'd be cool if they could finally get a Mikulin together!

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It is Allison powered, V-1710-89


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C VEICH wrote:
Superb! I wonder if this one is Allison powered as well?


I believe that there is an IL-10 rebuild in France that plans to use the Mikulin V-12.
https://www.avialogs.com/index.php/en/a ... rance.html

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C VEICH wrote:
Superb! I wonder if this one is Allison powered as well?


I believe that there is an IL-10 rebuild in France that plans to use the Mikulin V-12.
https://www.avialogs.com/index.php/en/a ... rance.html

That's good news. Years back when the Russian, IIRC, MiG-3 project was gathering together they actually had a Mikulin running in a test cell which looked promising. Unfortunately the success was short lived and they went with the Allison. Looking forward to seeing how this one goes!

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Yep, It is Allison powered

Boris did restore a Mikulin for the FHC but I think it was too difficult to get it certified.

Bit of my recovery article.

This aircraft belonged to the 46th Shtourmovoi Aviatsionny Polk (46thShAP Shturmovik Assault Regiment) who were the only Soviet Navy unit to operate the Il-2 in the Arctic North. The 46thShAP were formed in the Black Sea area in 1942 flying the UTI-16 as a night bomber and saw little action before being re-equipped with the Il-2 and transferred to the Arctic Circle in the spring of 1943. In the spring of 1943, Il-2, 1872452 was completed at Zavod 18 at Kuibyshev (now Samara) and was part of a small batch (thought to be around 3300 examples!) of Il-2s that had the original straight wing with 5% sweep and with the outer sections manufactured in duralumin. Later examples, as with the Il-2 at the Flying Heritage Collection have a 15 degree swept wing and this later model is often referred to as the ‘Arrow’. The construction number 1872452 can be broken down as 18 (factory), 7 (model), 24 (aircraft number) and 52 (series number). Therefore this Il-2 was constructed at factory 18, model 7 (attack Il-2) and the 24th aircraft of the 52nd series. This example was fitted with an upgraded Mikulin AM-38F engine and armed with a 7.62mm ShKAS machine gun in the wing root alongside a Volkov-Yartsev VYa 23mm cannon, both one per wing. The gunner had a 12.7mm Berezin UBT machine gun. The internal and external weapon stores were a combination of 400kg of bombs, eight RS-82 rockets or four RS-132 rockets. Camouflage was still black/green but in the newer colours of AMT-4 Green, AMT-6 black and AMT-7 light blue. Red stars with white outline followed by a thinner red one were located on the fuselage, fin and under wing surfaces only. It is unclear when this Il-2 was issued to 46thShAP. It could have been when the unit was transferred to the far north or as a replacement. Little is known of its service except that it did carry a number of repair patches and was marked up as ‘red 19’. What is known is the date of its loss, Thursday 25th November 1943 that was to become a black day for 46thShAP as well as for other Soviet units based in the Arctic Circle at that time.

09.48-10.48 MT (Moscow Time) Attacking force attacked the front line at Titovka, 40km west of Murmansk and the Luftwaffe airfields at Høybuktmoen (Kirkenes in Norway) and Loustari (Petsamo in Finland). As it was a dawn raid and the weather was poor, only Titovka could be attacked with limited success by a group consisting of sixteen Il-2’s of 46thShAP escorted by six Hurricanes, four Yak-9’s, six Yak-1’s, six P40’s. Two Il-2’s were damaged by flak. With improving weather, it was decided to attack Kirkenes and Petsamo when light. The sixteen Il-2’s of 46th ShAP were split into two attacking forces. Group One – 13.03 – 14.20MT In the first group led by Evdokimov, eight Il-2’s had a 152km/40minute flight time to target and were to run across target from NE to SW before turning back over the target from W to E before heading home. Group Two – 13.20 – 14.35MT In the second group led by Gulyaev, eight Il-2’s had a 100km/28minute flight time to target and were to run across target from E to W before undertaking a 180 degree turn, back over the target before heading home. This group included Il-2 1872452. The two groups attacking Petsamo were escorted by six P40’s of 27thIAP, fourteen Yak-1’s of 20thIAP and six Hurricanes of 78thIAP. At the same time twelve Pe-2’s dive bombers escorted by twelve P39 of 255thIAP and six Yak-9’s attacked Kirkenes airfield. It seems the group attacking Petsamo were met by 25+ Bf109G’s of III/JG5. (Third Gruppe (Wing) of JG5 consisting of Stab (staff flight) and 7th, 8th and 9th Staffels –squadrons). The Il-2’s managed to reach and are recorded as hitting their target with thirty two 100kg blast bombs, thirty-two 100kg fire bombs, four ROFS-132 and sixty RS-82 rockets as well as cannon fire. From this we know each Il-2 probably carried four 100kg bombs and four rockets. 46thShAP claimed the following during this attack. Ten Luftwaffe aircraft destroyed on the ground, six anti-aircraft positions destroyed, twenty-six individual fires started and five Bf109’s claimed shot down by Il-2’s. Additionally the escorts claimed eight more. The Luftwaffe’s recorded ‘losses’ consisted of one Fw190A-3 of 14./(Jabo)/JG5 slightly damaged though Soviet losses were more significant.On this day, Iluyshin Il-2, 1872452 was being flown by a 22 year old pilot JLt. Valentin Skopintsev and an air gunner Vladimir Gumennoy and they had already flown on the morning mission. 1872452 was armed with two FAB-100 and two ZAP-100 bombs in the internal wing bomb bays and two RS-132’s and two RS-82 rockets. This was only the pilot’s third mission, having arrived in October, and only the second for the gunner. In fact this was the second mission of the 25 November having been involved in the morning sortie! On the first pass over the airfield Skopintsev’s Il-2 managed to fire on ground targets and dropped his bombs before then flying around and heading back over the target. On his second run he was hit by German 20mm Flak that knocked out
the generator and also went through the port wing, port flap/actuator and 23mm ammunition box along with the starboard aileron was hit. Skopintsev was unable to fire his rockets or guns and so turned for home on the 100km/25minute return flight to Veanga-2 at which point they were then set upon by Bf109’s. During this engagement the Il-2 took further 7.62mm and 20mm cannon shells that hit the starboard wing root and also wounded Gumennoy. They survived the return flight and with a sluggish engine, he could see he was not going to make the airfield and fired a distress flare. In failing light and with no flaps or undercarriage he had one chance to undertake a belly landing on the partially frozen lake. The Il-2 undertook a fast 200km/h landing, sliding along before eventually coming to a stop. It was extremely dangerous due to the rockets under his wings. Skopintsev managed to get his injured gunner out and back to shore before the weight of the Il-2 caused the thin ice to break and she sank to the bottom. Now dark, Skopintsev carried his wounded gunner through the freezing arctic weather back to base, 3km away. The Il-2 was later written off from Soviet records. In all, III/JG5 claimed thirteen Il-2’s and twelve escorts, (nine P40’s and one P39, Yak-7 and Hurricane in the ensuing combat). Nearly all of the combat with escorts are recorded around 700m (2,300ft), whereas the Il-2 losses were recorded at flying between 10m - 50m (33ft – 165ft) above the tundra. The German flak units also claimed seven Il-2’s. Even though there was significant over claiming, it was still to turn out as a very bad day. Luftwaffe claimants include Lieutenant (Lt) H Ehrler of Stab III/JG5 (117th -120th victory) with two Il-2’s and two P40’s, Lt F Dorr of 7./JG5 (35th/36th victory) with one of each, Lt K-H Vogel of 7./JG5 (5th-7th victory) with one of each and a Hurricane (though no Hurricanes were lost), Feldwebel A Beth of 7./JG5 (15th/16thvictory) with two Il-2’s, Oberfeldwebel J Norz of 8./JG5 (45th/46th victory) with two Il-2’s and Hauptmann H Schmidt of 9./JG5 (2nd/3rd victory) with one of each. Ten other pilots made single claims. Actual losses were four Il-2’s from each group, a loss of 50% of the attacking force including Skopintsey’s Il-2. Also lost were seven escorts (four P40’s, one Yak-7 and two P39’s from the group attacking Kirkenes were also shot down, one by a Fw190 of 14.(Jabo)/JG5. Another Il-2 belly landed at Veanga-2 and a Yak-9 were also recorded as damaged. This was the worse single loss by 46thShAP during the whole of the GWP. Valentin Skopintsev went onto complete 51 sorties, moved to a training unit and left the Soviet Navy Air Force in 1946 due to injuries sustained during the GWP and passed away in 1996. The current plan is for Aviarestoration’s facility in Novosibirsk, Siberia, to restore this Il-2 to flying condition in time for the 70th Anniversary of the Petsamo-Kirkenes operation in the autumn of 1944. Thanks must go to Boris Osetinsky, ICARUS recovery Group, Andrey Kopytkov for the initial research, Sergei Kuznetsov, Rune Rautio and Erik Pilawski for all their help in compiling this article. © Mark Sheppard

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That's good news. Years back when the Russian, IIRC, MiG-3 project was gathering together they actually had a Mikulin running in a test cell which looked promising. Unfortunately the success was short lived and they went with the Allison. Looking forward to seeing how this one goes!


Did they ever get the Mikulin running better than this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4CSJj55Tqs

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True, but it is an improvement of the old Babelfish...or maybe the programming has gotten better?

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airnutz wrote:
That's good news. Years back when the Russian, IIRC, MiG-3 project was gathering together they actually had a Mikulin running in a test cell which looked promising. Unfortunately the success was short lived and they went with the Allison. Looking forward to seeing how this one goes!


Did they ever get the Mikulin running better than this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4CSJj55Tqs

Mebbee, It was 10 or 12 years ago. I don't recall all the popping and such. Probably was the AM-35 for the MiG-3, but it still was deemed unsatisfactory for flight or had a serious failure in testing from what I've gathered over the years. Probably would be best not to plunge on forward with dynamic tests with a sick engine? This video is probably of an AM-38 from one of the IL-2 recovery's. I don't think their progress, or lack of it, has anything to do with certification problems of a Mikulin. More to do with lack of parts and historic knowledge of Mikulin unique inner workings. Almost everything they dig up from a long extinct service engine is going to come from museums, long misplaced supply system bits, or from wreck sites.... or remanufactured in a machine shop. We have to remember, the Russian Warbird culture or hobby is a relatively new thing to them. In the west we horded and collected this stuff. Unless it had a life in industry or export after military service, there was no reason to keep it around...a government decision. Note the ASh-82? There were only a few thousand AM-35's, there were many, many thousands of AM-38's so their persistence and eventual success is likely. Regardless, Rusavia reports that they continue to have a goal of having running Mikulin's eventually. Probably interested deep pockets and dedicated machinist's are in that future. Just my 2 cents...
Rusavia's website, have a look in the historic section...
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By my last count, through Rusavia/Aviarestoration, I believe four flying Mig-3's have been completed, correct? Only one based outside of Russia, of course that being Jerry Yagen's (which hasn't flown since arriving in the US). With the number of Mig-3 restorations/reproductions, and Polikarpov fighter restorations/reproductions before those, it doesn't surprise me that following all of the work on restoring/producing FHC's IL-2, that we're seeing at least a couple more being built-up/restored to fly.


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I certainly hope so. Given the number of Il-2s produced it'll be wonderful even to have multiple examples flying, let alone something on the scale of the Polikarpov resurgence.

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Boris did restore a Mikulin for the FHC but I think it was too difficult to get it certified.


The entire aircraft is "Experimental Exhibition," so I don't think that would be an issue as long as the engine appears airworthy.


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