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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:03 am 
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Hopefully she'll fly later this summer. See Dave's article. http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/ ... pdate.aspx

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:22 am 
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Hello my friend, quite a number of Spitfires and Seafires have already been rebuilt in North America FYI : namely TE392, MH367 and MK959 for the Spitfires, and PR503 and VP441 for the Seafires.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:35 am 
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Guess I should have added a question mark, wasn't sure how many have been rebuilt on this side of the pond. Great to see it coming together finally.

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It says in the article that it IS a rebuild. Just sayin'...

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Lol ! We are fiddling with a detail that really has no importance... rather let's celebrate the return to the sky of another Spitfire !

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To bad she won't flying for the Aero 150 show at Vintage Wings on April 30, the Patrouille de France and Snowbirds will be flying.

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As with the majority of flying Spitfires , this one will have very little that is original Spitfire.
I recall that there was not much more than a cockpit section to start with.
That is actually more than many Spit restorations start with I guess.
Call it original or call it a replica , at least we will see it fly at some point.
It is not the first Spit built in N America but most certainly is the first one built in Canada

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The starting point for this Spitfire, TE294, in Canada was just a firewall pulled from a South African scrap yard.

All the sheet metal fuselage, the wings and the empennage were scratch built and assembled in jigs in Canada save for the importation from the UK of the wing spar boom sections and the radiator boats.

Save for TE294 all the North American Spitfire and Seafire rebuilds have all started with a basically externally complete sheet metal structure albeit that some were totally de-rivited and dismantled in the process.

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It begs the question ; Of all the Spitfires now flying , how many are " new builds" that have no provenance but a data plate ?

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PeterA wrote:
...all started with a basically externally complete sheet metal structure albeit that some were totally de-rivited and dismantled in the process.

PeterA

As I recall, following Thompson's restoration of MK959, they did this to remove the magnesium rivets and replace them with aluminium ones. Is this done on the flying Spitfires in the UK as well? Thanks PeterA.

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Fleet16b wrote:
It begs the question ; Of all the Spitfires now flying , how many are " new builds" that have no provenance but a data plate ?


I think it would depend on the definition one would be willing to use/accept for what constitutes a "new build" or "data plate rebuild", vs. a restoration/repair of an airframe that continues the provenance back to its original manufacture. In some cases of course there are projects based on just the corroded and largely missing remains of a wartime wreck, pulled from under a salty beach or Pacific jungle, where as other times a project has started with a full or near-full surviving airframe that remained largely intact, but perhaps stored outside for decades where in which the completed restoration could only have used a partial amount of the original airframe (in such cases it is hard to know the amount of original material that remains, unless you were intimately involved in the restoration - how much originality needs to be present to get over the threshold of not being considered a "new build"?). In some cases I know some projects had just a fuselage or good section of fuselage to begin with, so again, it would depend on an individual's interpretation of what constitutes how much original material allows the aircraft flying today to still be considered the original.

I think it's pretty safe to say that the flying (or soon to be) Spitfire Mk.I's P9374, N3200 and X4650, the Mk.V's BL628, JG891 and EP122, and the Mk.IX's/Tr.IX's TE294, TA805, TD314, MH367 and SM520, began with very little usable material from the original aircraft. (Perhaps Seafire SX336 too, but if so, then perhaps a few in the following paragraph too, depending on how one judges it.)

That leaves the remaining currently or near-to flyable examples - Mk.I AR213, Mk.II P7350, Mk.V's AR501, AR614, BM597, EP120 and AB910, Tr.VIII MT818, Mk.VIII's MV154 and MV239, Mk.IX's BR601, MH434, MK356, MK732, MJ730, ML417, MK959, PV270, PL344, TE554, SL633, RR232, and MK912, Tr.IX's PV202, ML407, PT462, TE308, MJ772 and MJ627, Mk.XI PL965, Mk.XIV's MV293, NH749, NH799, RN201 and SM832, Mk.XVI's TD248, TE184, TE311, TB863, SL721, TE356, RW386 and TE476, Mk.XVIII's TP280, SM845 and SM969, Pr.XIX's PS853, PM631, PS915 and PS890, and Seafires PR503, VP441, and PP972. These range a wide spectrum - from some having been in near continuous operation for many decades, down to others existing today, as they are, having been rebuilt from only partial surviving sections of airframe.

As of 1985, according to those involved in Spitfire restorations at the time, it was said that there were only 15 Spitfires known to be flying in the world - now (depending on how you call it) there is just shy of 60 active flyers, with more set to join the ranks this year.


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+ Mk VIII MT719: See link: http://franco-actis-aviation.ch/home.uk/spitfire%20mt719.html


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JohnT,

I would put PL344 in the former category.

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The other Spitfire at Vintage Wings is SL721 a MKVI that is considered one of the most original even having its original engine.
http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/ ... rstar.aspx

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You have to be pretty careful regarding pulling G in 80 year old aluminum.

Unless it's been indoors for most of the time, you'll likely have to replace it.

I saw all the skins and pieces from our P-40 that had come from the New Guinea jungle. They were corroded, even the ones that had been in the open air. Unusable, although still painted and fine as patterns. I ran my hands over the old blistered wing panels, envisioned me looping the airplane, and was glad they were not being used.

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